Brain genius Beff Jezos manages to butcher both philosophy and physics at the same time!
e/acc has solved the "is-ought" problem with thermodynamics!
https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos/status/1757229815537733880
https://twitter.com/BasedBeffJezos/status/1757229815537733880
Brain genius Beff Jezos manages to butcher both philosophy and physics at the same time!
18 Comments
titotal@awful.systems · 19 pts · 2y
For people who don't want to go to twitter, heres the thread:
sinedpick@awful.systems · 22 pts · 2y
Solving the is-ought problem is super easy when you change what "ought" means.
dgerard@awful.systems · 22 pts · 2y
P=NP if N=1
self@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2y
from the same CS minds who brought you âthe solution to the halting problem is trivial, just ask the computer if it halted. hyperturing!â
Soyweiser@awful.systems · 8 pts · 2y
I dislike how often people pull this trick. 'here are 5 definitions of this thing, we are going to pick one, prove something for it, and claim it also holds for all the other definitions, and never tell people we are working with a non-standard thing'. I get that the goal is to make the non-standard definition the standard, it is activism masking as logic, but eurgh.
gnomicutterance@hachyderm.io · 11 pts · 2y
Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems · 9 pts · 2y
Oh god what is most infuriating about this is that he's not necessarily wrong (moral realismđ), he's just getting to it in the most shitheaded way possible with what I have to assume to be the worst possible intentions.
YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems · 14 pts · 2y
If youâre moral realist heâs even more wrong. Of the realist positions available this is closest to naturalism, but it denies the essential precepts of any moral realism viz. the mind-independence of moral truth. This âis-oughtâ âsolutionâ is as old as Protagoras, âman is the measure of all thingsâ, where âe/accâs google-brained account of consciousnessâ stands in for âmanâ.
As a philosophical position theyâre just doing relativism, and then as a historicised political project this is just late 19th century scientism(ific racism). And I emphasise that the premises (âevolutionary fitnessâ) reveal the sources reveal the political project.
Moral realists introduce an independent condition (mind-independence) which at least purports to save ethical principles from reducing to âmight makes rightâ, this is just the latter window-dressed with talk of âpost-selectionâ to implicitly let in some degree of ethical deliberation as constitutive of morality, making it incidentally also a cowardly way to propagandise racism.
Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems · 5 pts · 2y
Oh don't get me wrong, I was trying to save the moral fact baby from the nazi bathwater but I very much agree. It's horrible. If muddled cultural darwinism is the alternative I'll go with Hume anyday.
YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems · 6 pts · 2y
Edit: I should here add that âutilityâ as Hume understands it is not yet the full-fledged utility of âutilitarianismâ or âutilonsâ, which innovation is due to Bentham (only a few decades later). For Hume, âutilityâ is just what youâd expect from normal language, i.e. âuseâ, or âusefulnessâ. The utility of things, including principles, is in their being good or bad for us, i.e. not formally in the sense of a hedonic calculus or the satisfaction of preferences (we donât âcount upâ either of these things to get an account of Humean utility).
Hume isnât an anti-realist! The notorious âis-oughtâ passage in Treatise which people often take for an expression of anti-realism only goes so far as to point out what it says: that evaluative conclusions cannot logically follow merely from fact premises, so that to conclude âeating grapes is goodâ we also need some evaluative premise âgrapes are goodâ alongside âgrapes are redâ and âgrapes are edibleâ, or whatever.
Contemporary accounts of Hume are muddled by his long and undeserved reputation as a thoroughgoing radical sceptic, but his philosophy has two sides: the destructive and the reconstructive, where the latter is perfectly comfortable with drawing all sorts of conclusions so long as they are limited by an awareness of the limits of our powers of judgement.
For morality, Hume finds its source in our âsentimentsâ, but indeed not totally unlike our friend over there, he does not think that this is cause to think our sentiments donât have force. Again not unlike our friend, he thinks sentiments may be compared for their âutilityâ. However, his arguments (a) unlike those of our friend, do not attempt to bridge the essentially logical gap he has merely pointed out, (b) unlike the anti-realist, take reflective judgements about utility to have force, alongside the force of those sentiments we reflect on, of an essentially real character.
Insofar as there is a resemblance, the important distinction between what Hume is doing and what our guy is doing is that Hume doesnât try to find any master-category (implicitly, âthe speciesâ above, although e/accs place this underneath another category âconsciousnessâ) which would ground fact judgements in science to give them force. Rather, (a) he basically asks us what else do you plan on doing, if you donât intend to prefer good things over bad? (b) identifies the particular sources of goodness and badness in real life, and then evaluates them. By contrast, the e/acc view attempts to argue that whatever our cultural judgements are, then they are good, insofar as they are refined evolutionarily/memetically - Hume thinks culture frequently gets these wrong, frequently gets them right, that culture is a flux, not a progressive development, and he discovers the essential truth in looking at individuals, not at group level âselectionâ over a set of competing propositions.
Hume isnât tied to the inherent conservatism of a pseudo-Bayesian model. Curiously enough he is a political conservative, which is arguably what makes it possible for him to (lightly) rest his semi-realist account on what he takes to be a relatively stable human sentimental substrate. But this only gives him further cause to take a genial view of the stakes of what we now call ârealism vs anti-realismâ: it isnât as important as trying to be nice.
blakestacey@awful.systems · 18 pts · 2y
As a physicist with a background in nonequilibrium statistical mechanics before moving to quantum information theory, let me reassure you that I speak from training and decades of experience when I say, "No, you dork ass loser."
Collectivist@awful.systems · 14 pts · 2y
He solved the is-ought problem? How did he do that?
Hey guys I also solved the is-ought problem, first we start with is (what we should do)...
YouKnowWhoTheFuckIAM@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2y
Too stupid to debunk without resorting to bullying.
Evinceo@awful.systems · 12 pts · 2y
This guy's idea of thermodynamics is basically... he thinks that speed running universal heat death is... the highest calling of life?
Kinda the slowest and least exciting way to annihilate the universe, but it seems to exist mostly to justify irresponsible energy use.
bitofhope@awful.systems · 11 pts · 2y
What's cooler than doing a mid bit with awful delivery and immediately explaining it? Trying to spin it into a serious argument by vomiting nonsense jargon.
I don't want to hear a word of complaint about obscurantist poststructuralists from this guy or anyone who likes him.
swlabr@awful.systems · 9 pts · 2y
BJ: "I don't know what the is-ought problem is, or why anyone cares. I am clearly qualified to declare it solved. First, let me google what the definition of 'is' is, and also what 'ought' is. Then I'll use some science words to hot glue the two things together, and BAM! Solved. Another win for e/acc."
skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 2y
so if i'm reading this right, he's basically saying that bestest social values exist in societies that change least with time, or in other words he's saying that the only moral position is to be reactionary
i don't know if it counts as mask off because mask wasn't ever really there
gerikson@awful.systems · 7 pts · 2y
Being able to derive reaction as the One True Political Movement via immutable physical laws sounds like a wet dream for some people.
zogwarg@awful.systems · 7 pts · 2y
E/Acc where Might makes Right, is the not at all repulsive and most ontologically sound source for ethics! Not at all burting at the seems with perverted eugenics, it's not morally dubious if none of your enemies survive to criticise you!