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c/techtakes · by dgerard@awful.systems · 2y

you guys, OpenAI and Facebook have *totally* invented your plastic pal who's fun to be with *this* time

https://www.ft.com/content/78834fd4-c4d1-4bab-bc40-a64ad9d65e0d

archive: https://archive.ph/Oz69t

37 points · 39 comments · view on lemmy.world

39 Comments

dgerard@awful.systems · 50 pts · 2y (2 replies)

Laurens Hof on Mastodon:

absolutely insane article:

  • the headline claims the models capable of reasoning are ready
  • first paragraph moves from 'ready' to 'on the brink'
  • 4th paragraph moves from 'on the brink' to 'hard at work, figuring it out'
  • 5th paragraph scales it down further, now the next model with only 'show progress' towards reasoning'
  • halfway through LeCun admits that current models cannot reason at all

the journalistic malpractice here is honestly a parody of itself

gerikson@awful.systems · 8 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Which account? Masto.soc search shows 3 Laurens Hofs...

Al0neStar@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 2y

https://indieweb.social/@laurenshof/112245887801889530

self@awful.systems · 25 pts · 2y (24 replies)

Speaking at an event in London on Tuesday, Meta’s chief AI scientist Yann LeCun said that current AI systems “produce one word after the other really without thinking and planning”.

Because they struggle to deal with complex questions or retain information for a long period, they still “make stupid mistakes”, he said.

Adding reasoning would mean that an AI model “searches over possible answers”, “plans the sequence of actions” and builds a “mental model of what the effect of [its] actions are going to be”, he said.

wait, you mean the same models that supposed AI researchers were swearing had “glimmerings of intelligent reasoning” and “a complex world model” really were just outputting the most likely next word for a prompt? the current models are just fancy autocomplete but now that there’s a new product to sell, that one will be the real thing? and of course, the new models are getting pre-announced as revolutionary as interest in this horseshit in general takes a nosedive.

LeCun said it was working on AI “agents” that could, for instance, plan and book each step of a journey, from someone’s office in Paris to another in New York, including getting to the airport.

these must be the multi-agent models that AI fans won’t shut the fuck up about now that multi-modal LLMs are here and disappointing. is it just me or does the use case for this sound fucking stupid? like, there’s apps that do this already. this shit was solved already by application of the least-terrible surviving algorithms from the first AI boom. what the fuck is the point of re-solving travel planning, but now incredibly expensive and you can’t trust the results?

blakestacey@awful.systems · 19 pts · 2y

So, if anyone is keeping score, the promise of Artificial Intelligence has descended from "the computers on Star Trek" to "spicy ticket-booking".

sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems · 18 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Ah yes, "getting to the airport", one of the great unsolved challenges in computing.

self@awful.systems · 14 pts · 2y

in order to solve the Traveling Salesman Problem, the first step is to use a machine model to confirm the user isn’t a salesman

froztbyte@awful.systems · 17 pts · 2y (3 replies)

the thing that bothers me about that lecunn statement is that it's another of those not-even-wrong fuckers with an implicit assumption: that the problem is not that it doesn't have intelligence, just that the intelligence isn't very advanced yet - "oh yeah it just didn't think ahead! that's why foot in mouth! it's like your drunk friend at a party!"

which, y'know, is not the case. but they all fucking speak with that implicit foundation, as though the intelligence is proven fact instead of total suggestion (I wanted to say "conjecture", but that isn't the right word either)

these must be the multi-agent models that AI fans won’t shut the fuck up about now that multi-modal LLMs are here and disappointing. is it just me or does the use case for this sound fucking stupid?

it's also the pitch I keep seeing from a number of places, including that rabbit or whatever the fuck thing? and, frankly, can we not? these goddamn things can barely parse sentences and keep context, and someone wants to tell me that a model use is for it to plan my travel? with visas and flight times and transfers? nevermind all the extra implications of accounting for real-world issues (e.g. political sensitivity), preferences in sight-seeing, data privacy considerations (visiting friends)....

like it's just a gigantic fucking katamari ball of nope

carlitoscohones@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2y

someone wants to tell me that a model use is for it to plan my travel?

I don't think any of these people have ever traveled. Honestly, I used to work for a company where the corporate travel people mostly lived in a small village in Germany, and their recommendations could be insane sometimes, but at least they knew what being a human was like.

dgerard@awful.systems · 6 pts · 2y (1 reply)

bro, bro. i'm not going to answer your question about the obvious and glaring problems, but here read these three preprints that are very exciting about the possibilities!!! no i can't just explain in my own words what they say. but if you cannot refute the mathematics (you can tell it's real maths because it's got squiggly symbols in it) then you must acquit

self@awful.systems · 4 pts · 2y

if you cannot refute, you must not compute

V0ldek@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2y

This is yet another example of people calling the shots here being completely detached from reality of an average person and bereft of imagination.

Surely the plebs would all want to have an underpaid secretary that plans your private jet trips for you so that you don't have to interact with anyone. It's the dream! I can't imagine a life without that, surely they need it too!

Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works · -13 pts · 2y (15 replies)

It is not just you who think it is stupid as many do, but I think it is more than safe to say that not using an AI agent in the future, while possible, will be like trying to function in our world without a smartphone. Possible of course, but you are at a disadvantage. I personally look forward to my AI agent booking travel and being as thorough and then some as I could ever hope to be. I look forward to an AI agent to live inside my development environment and help me get things done and spend less time trying to fix issues. There are so many things that AI is going to be amazing at, and those who embrace will reap the benefits.

blakestacey@awful.systems · 16 pts · 2y

"It's garbage that generates giant rat dicks now, but I can't wait to hand my life over to it tomorrow!"

Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee · 15 pts · 2y (1 reply)

I think it is more than safe to say that not using an AI agent in the future, while possible, will be like trying to function in our world without a smartphone. Possible of course, but you are at a disadvantage

My friend, I think you have it backwards.

AI use vs genuine human interaction is going to be like getting a machine made t-shirt at Walmart for $5 vs hiring a tailor. AI is going to give you a markedly lower quality job for much cheaper, and that's going to be its utility.

mountainriver@awful.systems · 14 pts · 2y

Machine made t-shirt, with extra fingers.

Besides, isn't most clothes just made by poor people in poor conditions instead of being made with machines? Just like AI.

self@awful.systems · 15 pts · 2y (6 replies)

shut the fuck up

self@awful.systems · 15 pts · 2y (5 replies)

a note to our federated guests: nothing about this move was smart

froztbyte@awful.systems · 7 pts · 2y (4 replies)

lol, has that person ever even posted here? (just realized that's actually hard to tell)

imagine the headspace it takes to just randomly do a driveby tut-tut because of perceived impropriety just because you yourself have never faced a lick of pushback to bullshit. amazing, 10/10, no notes

self@awful.systems · 10 pts · 2y (3 replies)

they had exactly one (relatively upvoted) post here in the last 4 months before they decided to use the reports system as… a weird one-way DM? an attempt to get me pulled into an urgent meeting about my attitude (good fucking luck)? like even if they were hoping someone else would read it, the fuck kind of result did they expect from “not very mature tbh”?

also, a “posts to this instance only” view on profiles is a brilliant feature idea as a moderation tool

V0ldek@awful.systems · 11 pts · 2y

Can I put you aside for an urgent meeting about your attitude?

It's great, please continue, you're doing (acausal robot) god's work out here.

froztbyte@awful.systems · 8 pts · 2y (1 reply)

I was thinking about that (the view) when I made that comment, and lol at it not existing in mod

I’m on a coffee run quickly but once I stop, I’ll make a subthread collating the ideas that have been had so far (just to track/centralise for easy view)

self@awful.systems · 6 pts · 2y

that’s a great idea! I’m hoping I can grab enough dev time this week to get our fork in better shape

o7___o7@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2y

...will be like trying to function in our world without a smartphone.

As an ADHD and LightPhone enjoyer, It really isn't that hard. You just have to live life with the forethought that the ancients employed way back in 2004. The gravest problem I've faced is that I've wasted a shit-ton of potential Jimmy John's loyalty points on account of not having a QR code reader.

froztbyte@awful.systems · 11 pts · 2y

lol what the fuck, you like this dumb bullshit? must suck to be you

pikesley@mastodon.me.uk · 11 pts · 2y

@Immersive_Matthew @self have you bumped your head?

sc_griffith@awful.systems · 10 pts · 2y

fully pudding brained take

raktheundead@fedia.io · 5 pts · 2y

being as thorough and then some as I could ever hope to be

That's not the flex you think it is.

dgerard@awful.systems · 22 pts · 2y (3 replies)

“We will be talking to these AI assistants all the time,” LeCun said. “Our entire digital diet will be mediated by AI systems.”

did u kno that there still exist people who take anything that Yann LeCun says seriously

o7___o7@awful.systems · 9 pts · 2y

Big Yann Mid Yann

Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Does he have a history of over promising and under delivering?

self@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2y

that would be a key part of his job description, yes

gerikson@awful.systems · 15 pts · 2y (4 replies)

Brad Lightcap, OpenAI’s chief operating officer

I'm sorry your COO has pr0n/Futurama mashup name, OpenAI

mountainriver@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Sounds like something autocomplete would make up. Are we sure that is a real person this time?

dgerard@awful.systems · 11 pts · 2y

the AI that was rejected for the job of basilisk

V0ldek@awful.systems · 10 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Brad Lightcap, the decidedly less successful brother of Buzz Lightyear.

froztbyte@awful.systems · 7 pts · 2y

Best famous for their work as VR set headmodel

deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 13 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Genuine People Personalities? Sounds ghastly.

It is.

Soyweiser@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2y

Ow god, I let my NiceGrandFatherAIBot on facebook, it now called me a sheeple, a cuck and a pedophile for telling him Biden is the president.