Yeah, we "self-host" our app at AWS at work, which means we configure everything ourselves. I "self-host" a VPS at Hetzner for personal projects, and my actual data is actually self-hosted on a machine on my LAN.
In IT context local is a well establised term. It's either hosted locally, i. e. on machine running the browser or not. A datacenter or cloud are remote machines also by the same well established definition.
It is, actually. It is local to them, it is remote to you. They are differentiating from a remote server in someone else’s datacenter. It is not that confusing.
By using the Services, you represent that you will only share material (including Inputs) that you own and/or have the legal right to share and sublicense to others, including without limitation, content and data contained in any web-page shared through the Services to generate Outputs. When you submit your own content through the Services, you continue to own the rights to that content. You grant Mozilla a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, sub-license, prepare derivative works from, distribute, perform, and display the Inputs for the purpose of operating the Services.
I don't want that. I want full control and absolute privacy. I do not want your AI reading my emails. Look at that summary, it's as long as the whole email, and you're not going to be able to trust that it picked up on the most important part of the email. This is not efficiency, this is novelty.
Not far enough. I won't trust it until I can build it myself and self-host it. Then if they provide reproducible builds and hashes of the currently running build, I can decide whether it's better to use their hosted version or my own.
Yes, I'm glad this BS is an extension. I'm not happy that they're spending time on this vs projects people actually seem to want. AI appeared nowhere on the top-10 survey results, yet this is what they come up with. I just hope they didn't spend a ton of time on it.
Thing is, Pocket is also an extension. Just much less optional. If Mozilla makes this AI thing part of their flagship in a lot of the same ways. Possibly even more. It's not about what it is now, but rather what it means for the future of Mozilla and Firefox.
Here's the summary of their example article (or perhaps the page?):
This email expresses a sarcastic and exaggerated perspective on the advancements and implications of Artificial Intelligence (AI). The author begins by expressing excitement about the technological marvels of AI, but then proceeds to poke fun at the complexity and convoluted nature of AI, its ability to predict our actions, and the replacement of human interaction with AI chatbots. The author also mocks the idea of AI-generated content and its ability to replicate human creativity, and the potential ethical concerns of relying on AI for decision-making. The email concludes with a sarcastic call to embrace the "glory" of AI and its potential to take over human autonomy. The tone of the email is light-hearted and humorous, but it also raises valid concerns about the role and impact of AI on our lives.
This isn't really a summary, there's some interpretation going on as well. I don't want AI to do any form of interpretation, but if it does so, it should be as metadata below the actual summary.
And honestly, I almost never get an email that I actually want to summarize. Most of them I can either completely ignore (corporate BS), or they're short and to the point. So it's weird to me that email is the first thing they mention.
I did exactly this at work the other day. Someone had forwarded a full email thread to me and asked my opinion on it - they gave no summary or outline of the thread and expected me to read through it. I don't have time to read through a full thread and work out what they want from me so I copied it into chatgpt and asked it to summarise and tell me points that might need my attention. It was pretty good
"Yeah sorry boss, i didn't actually read the email, instead i had an AI summarize it for me and it got a key detail wrong. Anyway what's a couple thousand dollars in lost sales right"
Thunderbird is an independent, community-driven project that is managed and overseen by the Thunderbird Council, which is elected by the Thunderbird Community.
Fair nuff. Sometimes it's just overwhelming getting information of something I can't do anything by. Like oh great another thing that's going wrong rn... Woo hoo
It is but it's also natural for them, they're slowly transitioning to a closed source company like all the other big tech companies.
The hope is that we don't notice, or that those of us who do notice are a small minority who can be stomped out or discredited by those who don't notice or are in their pocket.
Reddit too used to be open source, they're not anymore. This shit does happen, regardless of what anyone says.
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GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 98 pts · 1y
Hmm.
>locally hosted
>Google Cloud
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 1y
Sounds like they’re running their own LLM instance on googles cloud infrastructure vs using something like OpenAI via API.
As web dev parlance it makes sense but for marketing it is definitely confusing and they should do better.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
Yeah, we "self-host" our app at AWS at work, which means we configure everything ourselves. I "self-host" a VPS at Hetzner for personal projects, and my actual data is actually self-hosted on a machine on my LAN.
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 22 pts · 1y
It’s a thing.
Remember how the cloud is someone else’s server? Now you can buy it (or lease) and bring it home, and it becomes only sorta someone else’s.
Amazon and Azure offer their own on-prem products.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 9 pts · 1y
"Locally hosted" means it's running on the local host. In this case, that would mean on the same computer running Firefox.
Calling something that is only accessible over the internet "locally hosted" is outrageous doublespeak.
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 1y
Why does it mean that?
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 1y
Why does local mean local? I'm not sure I understand your question.
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 7 pts · 1y
If they had said “locally hosted in our datacenter” would you be confused why they didn’t move a rack into your house?
My question is why are you projecting your limited interpretation as a global truth?
mr_satan@monyet.cc · 5 pts · 1y
In IT context local is a well establised term. It's either hosted locally, i. e. on machine running the browser or not. A datacenter or cloud are remote machines also by the same well established definition.
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 1y
Ok, now do your own datacenter vs cloud.
GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 1y
Then that would also be an oxymoron.
Local is the opposite of remote. This is a remote server. Remote servers are not local. This is not a matter of interpretation.
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 0 pts · 1y
It is, actually. It is local to them, it is remote to you. They are differentiating from a remote server in someone else’s datacenter. It is not that confusing.
LWD@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
IP address can belong to Mozilla, but the rest is correct.
smpl@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 1y
LWD@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
pmarcilus@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 1y
It just started and already have buzzwords floating around
redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 41 pts · 1y
https://orbitbymozilla.com/terms
LWD@lemm.ee · 25 pts · 1y
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sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1y
Yeah, that's a no-go. I probably wasn't going to use it anyway, but if it had a decent privacy policy, I might at least try it.
But no, not happening.
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 1y
I don't want that. I want full control and absolute privacy. I do not want your AI reading my emails. Look at that summary, it's as long as the whole email, and you're not going to be able to trust that it picked up on the most important part of the email. This is not efficiency, this is novelty.
vort3@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 1y
Then don't install the extension?
LWD@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
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geography082@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 1y
“AI you can trust” …
LWD@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
Not far enough. I won't trust it until I can build it myself and self-host it. Then if they provide reproducible builds and hashes of the currently running build, I can decide whether it's better to use their hosted version or my own.
LWD@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
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geography082@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
But but but … they said…
Carighan@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Well, you can just... not install the extension then?
themeatbridge@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
I won't. But my concern is that Mozilla is heading in the wrong direction lately, and I have used Firefox for a very long time.
Carighan@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
We always told them we want things to be optional, and now this is an extension so I dunno. Seems they're listening?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
Yes, I'm glad this BS is an extension. I'm not happy that they're spending time on this vs projects people actually seem to want. AI appeared nowhere on the top-10 survey results, yet this is what they come up with. I just hope they didn't spend a ton of time on it.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Thing is, Pocket is also an extension. Just much less optional. If Mozilla makes this AI thing part of their flagship in a lot of the same ways. Possibly even more. It's not about what it is now, but rather what it means for the future of Mozilla and Firefox.
christophski@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 1y
Pretty sure the email is longer than is shown, hence why the last sentence is cut off
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
Here's the summary of their example article (or perhaps the page?):
This isn't really a summary, there's some interpretation going on as well. I don't want AI to do any form of interpretation, but if it does so, it should be as metadata below the actual summary.
And honestly, I almost never get an email that I actually want to summarize. Most of them I can either completely ignore (corporate BS), or they're short and to the point. So it's weird to me that email is the first thing they mention.
christophski@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1y
I did exactly this at work the other day. Someone had forwarded a full email thread to me and asked my opinion on it - they gave no summary or outline of the thread and expected me to read through it. I don't have time to read through a full thread and work out what they want from me so I copied it into chatgpt and asked it to summarise and tell me points that might need my attention. It was pretty good
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 1y
I sent in a support ticket asking them to save Firefox and stop all this AI bullshit
lud@lemm.ee · 17 pts · 1y
I'm sure their support appreciates that a lot.
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
I hope they do
lud@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
Yeah, there is a lot they can do about it.
Email their CEOs or some shit instead.
thawed_caveman@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
"Yeah sorry boss, i didn't actually read the email, instead i had an AI summarize it for me and it got a key detail wrong. Anyway what's a couple thousand dollars in lost sales right"
n3m37h@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 1y
Fuck off
sub_ubi@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 1y
why are they promoting web-based mail when their email solution is thunderbird?
slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 1y
Thunderbird is more a community project that's outside of Mozilla's jurisdiction at this point
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 8 pts · 1y
Thunderbird is built by a for-profit subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation, it just isn’t the Mozilla Corporation.
slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Thunderbird
No. It's not.
Edit: sort of is, under a subsidiary called MZLA but still seems more independent from mozilla and their shenanigans (I hope)
geography082@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
Wiki truth
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
What’s the sentence before that one?
Here, read the latest news: https://www.zdnet.com/article/mozilla-moves-to-monetize-thunderbird-transfers-project-to-new-subsidiary/
Never wondered why Thunderbird donations aren’t tax deductible?
slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
OK... Now what actionable thing can I do with this info? Use outlook? What good would that do?
I want firefox to exist to create a good browser and thunderbird to exist for a good email client. Is that too much to ask?
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 1y
I don’t think you need to do anything different. Sometimes when I learn new things I say “oh, interesting.”
slacktoid@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Fair nuff. Sometimes it's just overwhelming getting information of something I can't do anything by. Like oh great another thing that's going wrong rn... Woo hoo
Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 1y
Well that's disappointing.
Just add it onto the pile of all the other stupid stuff Mozilla is doing I guess.
RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
I find it kind of suspicious that the extension (the fake spot one to) are proprietary.
Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
It is but it's also natural for them, they're slowly transitioning to a closed source company like all the other big tech companies. The hope is that we don't notice, or that those of us who do notice are a small minority who can be stomped out or discredited by those who don't notice or are in their pocket.
Reddit too used to be open source, they're not anymore. This shit does happen, regardless of what anyone says.
LWD@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
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sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al · 4 pts · 1y
Not available on mobile, which is sad. I consume 99% of my internet via mobile devices.
neme@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 1y
sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al · 1 pts · 1y
Thanks for the heads up.
AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 1y
Mwa@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
Prob not Privcy focusing extension
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y
Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 1y
and another one bites the dust heyhey
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 1y
If you can't spell a topic properly, I strongly doubt your ability to manage it. Simple-as.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1y
Um, where's the spelling mistake?
Classy@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
If you don't capitalize Internet and spell it as E-mail you are incorrect!!!