Who watches the Watchman?

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/22263624

It's been a while since I've actually made a post here. @dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world has the lock on entertaining content here, so I figure I should come in with boring and bland (both the knife and the post!) ;)

Earlier this year, in addition to my normal (aka way too many) knife buying, I went down the rabbit hole a bit on inexpensive knives on Amazon.

Now, you can't throw a dust mote and not hit a dozen cheap knives sporting blades made of pot metal (or worse) on that hellscape of a site.

But I was after bigger game: a usable, decent knife for about $10.

That lead me, first to the Duratech liner-lock which I discussed here: https://lemmy.world/post/12442733

That knife is still in use and has done reasonably well, despite the terrible detent. (I never did take it apart). I have not been kind to it, including batoning wood to make some kindling.

Shortly thereafter, Duratech came out with their own cross-bar locking knife (aka Axis lock) which ended up being just under $12.
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The quality was greatly improved for sure, but it's also a bunch heavier than the liner-lock which itself was already too heavy for my normal EDC.

One of the knives I also purchased around this time was the Watchman W001 (or as the box says: Watchman W001 Pocket Knife Folding Knives Traditional folder Wood Handle Material Collection). Strangely, you might also see it as the Watchman WM001.

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Watchman as a brand offers a number of knives on Amazon. I have no idea the quality of any of them but they are sufficiently inexpensive.

The W001 is, according to Amazon, a non-locking knife despite the fact that all the photos show a rear-mounted lockback. Rest assured that this is indeed a locking knife.

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For $10 you wouldn't expect much in terms of steel, but honestly 7CR17MOV, which is the same as 440A, is way better than a lot of other knives for even more money. (Assuming Watchman have a decent heat treatment on it).

Fit and finish is predictably not great but certainly not terrible. Some gaps between scales and liners and one of the pins is just slightly proud of the scales. But the lockback provides plenty of snap. There's side-to-side blade wiggle but nothing worrisome. The wooden scales are nice and smooth and appear sealed but I wouldn't want to test it.

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The grind (of which I do not have a good closeup) tapers in thickness from back to front on the blade and for sure more aggressive on one side than the other. Sharpness out of the box was ok but nothing to be excited about. I stropped it but haven't sharpened it yet.

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Curiously, there's another knife out there that looks strikingly similar. The Rough Rider RR1708. Someone posted a video on it a couple years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKv36gDGx4I The Rough Rider is marketed as having 440A steel. (The video says it's 420A but that's incorrect).

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This knife has sat on the desk since it arrived. My youngest kid gut-punched me the other day when he looked at all the knives and said "you sure have a lot of knives you never use"

Brutal takedown.

So the W001 is being put to use. I'm going to 5th-pocket carry it and it will be my only knife for the next two weeks or so. We'll see how the 7CR steel holds up and if I can stand not having a pocket clip.

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I'm sure, at the very least, it'll be great at opening more packages containing new knives.

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12 Comments

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 104d (11 replies)

I don't understand those folder types. Buttons always are hard, two hands to close, when you hands or fingers are cold they can hurt to shut and open, or if you have low cut nails.

cetan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 70d (10 replies)

Not all lock backs are stiff, but they are going to be more difficult to close one handed. Depending on how the detent is set up, you can get a lock back to close part way without slamming into your fingers. Spyderco lock backs are known for that, so you can do a one hand close (and a one hand open) with a lot of theirs.

The nail nick opener on the blade does require some extra dexterity for sure. Some companies have thumbstuds or thumb disks on their lockback knives and I find they're various degrees of "less" difficult than a two handed nail nick opener.

I think what's most appealing about the lock back is the simplicity. It's a proven design and therefore easy to implement (and not expensive). You also don't have to use the nail nick. You can grasp the knife at the spine between two fingers.

There are some areas where knifes laws are such that if you own a locking knife it must be a 2 hand opener. This is a good way to meet that requirement.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 69d (9 replies)

Stupid knife laws. Two hands to open is insane. I prefer spyderco blade holes or something else with a stud. These lock back models are the worst IMO. Fixed blades are nice but sometimes not the best for carry as they don't always flow with your movements like a simple pocket folder. I've been eying a Bradford guardian 3 wharnie or something with a more flat edge profile. Manix 2 maybe. I detest drop points and prefer a flat or spear point. I've been looking for a different edc daily use since I dislike Kershaw somewhat.

cetan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 68d (8 replies)

You might like the CJRB Pyrite Lite. It's really inexpensive (~$30 US) and has a nice wharncliffe blade so it's not a big hit to the wallet to see if it's something you like. They have a version with a 3 inch blade and a version with a 3.7 inch blade.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 67d (7 replies)

I actually do like that shape. I'm not a huge fan on knives with large bellies. I'm currently up between manix 2 and the XL manix 2. I've never felt the XL but loved the regular version. I prefer larger sized folders and smaller fixed. Tough choice. Think I might check out this one as a cheap beater just for testing the style and shape out. That's what's cool about the knife world so many options.

cetan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d (6 replies)

Yeah, for the price it's a no-brainer to buy the Pyrite just to see what it's like. I have a Manix 2 Salt and it's not my style. Too big in the hand and the pocket for me but I know it's a big seller for them. Sucks not having a local knife shop anymore to test these things out.

For Spyderco either the Sage 5 or the Pacific Salt 2 are my most often carried.

OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 64d (5 replies)

Thinking of buying a bodacious. Held one in a store. It is pretty nice overall. Nothing seems to hold up to the Adamas in strength and sturdiness or even smoothness for opening and closing. I was looking for something around 4 inches or so that is a real tool, Hardy, solid lockup like a fixed blade that ages well. Daily usage in every hard use environment. Around cars and fluids. Still hunting. I am new to steels and such so I focus on finish and grind for now.

cetan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 64d

Have you looked at Cold Steel at all? Overbuilt and rugged is their default. :)