China sets deadline for Big Tech to clear algorithm issues, close ‘echo chambers’
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3287929/china-sets-deadline-big-tech-clear-algorithm-issues-close-echo-chambers
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sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 55 pts · 1y
Imagine having a government that demands things of its corporations instead of the other way around
C126@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
American government actually makes more demands on their citizens. Street level China is still very laissez-faire in most cities.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 1y
Imagine having a Government that uses political prisoners as forced laborers.
Viri4thus@feddit.org · 41 pts · 1y
Imagine having a government that uses incarcerated people of colour as forced laborers.
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 1y
I don't have to imagine that I live in the US
comfy@lemmy.ml · 23 pts · 1y
No need to imagine. Slavery is conditionally legal in the US, as written in the Thirteenth Amendment.
davel@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 1y
Imagine…
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The lowest is Massachusetts, at 275 per 100K. China is less than half that, at 121.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
I assume you understand the difference between political prisoners and normal prisoners, right? Unless those numbers represents political prisoners, I fail to see the point you made.
davel@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Political prisoners, like Julian Assange, or like the millions of nonwhite people in the “war on drugs”?
Are people who commit domestic terrorist attacks political prisoners? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_China
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Does the name Liu Xiaobo ring a bell?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Xiaobo
davel@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
Yes.
KarnaSubarna@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
So, demand for democratic election should land anyone in jail, right?
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1y
Actually all prisoners in America are political prisoners because politics determines the laws that put them in prison
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 1y
That's a funny way to put it, but kinda sorta true. Anti-cannabis laws for majority black users...
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y
Why not both?
Evotech@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
China doing something
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1y
For show or for their own ends?
_lunar@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y
Delphia@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Honestly the USA is going fucking insane and China is starting to look stable and rational by comparison.
China is like "yes, we are predictably slightly evil" America wakes up every day, takes a fistfull of Hunter S Thompsons briefcase, snorts it and then hucks a dart at a D&D alignment chart.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1y
For Show means that some official is just making noise to appeal their their higher ups and nothing will come of it.
For Their Own Ends means that they don't want protest groups forming where they can't see it.
_lunar@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
cool cool
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y
Found the wumao.
The CCP and Chinese people are different things. No one is criticizing Chinese people.
_lunar@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Where the hell did you get I'm white? Or that I don't have Chinese family?
Or just limited in the news from outside the country.
Ok, so an unpaid wumao.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 1y
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
Lemmy has no problems with this.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1y
interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1y
Lemmy is still shit governance wise. It's just a bunch of fiefdom managed by god knows who, there's absolutely nothing democratic about it.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y
interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
Instances are worthless, what has value are the /c/ and absolutely nothing in the Lemmy model protects communities from the admin of the instance where it was created to go full Elon. I bet that at some point it will happen.
Most of the time you don't even know who is running the instance. Suffice that one of them that's running a large enough communities needs a bit of cash and decide to sell it. Or they could be in bed/owned by any intelligence agency/corporation/political party. Who knows.
I've spend a year in my lost time musing on the design of a truly decentralised model where identity, community, curation (moderation) and distribution are entirely decorrelated to address those specific issue among all the othes, including the one you mentioned. It's complex, it's a big task, but I don't think it's impossible. I'm too lazy to code it though :D
comfy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
I'd say the low cost of migration does, especially if user awareness remains high (and since most users are here over complaints of the APIs being restricted, I'd say there's an above-average awareness). It's pretty easy to clone a community onto another instance, and it would be trivial for users to migrate too.
interurbain1er@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1y
As you discovered when you tried to get your friends to use Signal instead of whatsapp it's actually very hard to move people.
Everyone was "yeah let's leave Reddit the owner are evil and taking away our mobile apps". Barely anyone did. It is not trivial to convince a group of people to move.
comfy@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
My point is that it's very different from moving from WhatsApp to Signal, or from reddit to Lemmy.
Let's imagine on an instance, a community mod started flooding their /c/technology with ads and deleting any posts criticising them. And suppose the admins decide not to step in, saying it's their community and their right to do that.
How painful would it be for users to go from /c/technology over to /c/tech or /c/technology@other.site ? There is a far smaller barrier - it's basically two clicks on their side to change their comm subscriptions, they don't risk losing communication with friends or miss out on a larger site's content feeds, or have to deal with 'one more app', they don't have to learn a new tool, they just use a different community.
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
But it's still better than Reddit, e.g.
Delphia@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Because Lemmy is a voluntary echo chamber.
monobot@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
While I think this is un enforceable, I started to be careful what I click.
Just one click can ruin my feed.
And it is boring watch all the same stuff in the feed. I have many different interests, just put them all in there don't focus only on the last one.
I don't understand why do they do it. Diverse content will engage me more.
sibachian@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
yes, it got to a point where i tried to game the algorithms once on one of these platforms to get the type of content i want and nothing else. instead it started showing me the most disturbing shit imaginable. i eventually started to report the content but the more i reported it the more of that shit it would show me like i was some kind of unpaid moderator they wouldn't need to cover with PTSD bills.
i have since moved on from algorithm-fueled platforms. i just do not understand the appeal of all the hate and bullshit it brings "for advertising engagement" that this whole bluesky fanbase is advertising like something good and useful.