Egypt got fuck ton of money from USA to restore (their) order. Libya was toppled by the USA. Syria was destabilized and invaded by everyone around it (and the USA)
To clarify, there's definitely some outright flaming and incivility in there that warranted deletion, but there's a lot of valid comments and constructive criticism that got removed, too.
There's no formal rules on this comm except "be civil".
There is also a fair amount of deflecting in the thread ("I'm not affiliated with the movement, I'm just sharing it") in response to posts that stayed up - I feel like if you're sharing something on your own community, you ought to be prepared to have a discussion about it. You thought it was worth posting, so there are probably reasons you thought that, right?
The expandos aren't loading right on Fedia, but I can click through the direct links without issue. I've been using Imgur for a while because it had an easy integration with ShareX. Happy to take suggestions for another image host if you have some though, I'm sure I'm behind the times on this.
I saw that post in my feed and scrolled through all the deleted comments. Checked the modlogs to see what was removed and immediately thought- yeah, that post will end up here.
I could have embedded the screenshots instead I suppose, but honestly I struggle to remember how to do that on fedi sites because I don't do it very often.
I do have one post among the comments that were deleted, but I wanted to give a more zoomed-out overview of the goings-on rather than focusing on my own comment. If that's not close enough to the desired format, then my bad... If that's not what you're referring to, though, I wouldn't mind more specifics?
As far as I can tell, Fedia allows me to directly upload one image from the filesystem (not the clipboard) when submitting a new thread. I confess I was too lazy to open Paint and stitch together all the mod log images. đ
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Deobfuscating the mod name would require me to be an instance admin, right?
My screenshots were taken directly from my instance's mod log. I took that to mean the moderation actions were done publicly (not set to anonymous by the moderator). Since the rule didn't say "Always censor mod names" I thought I was doing things right. I suppose it's possible there is an inconsistency in how Fedia displays the mod log, but I do see anonymous mod actions in there from time to time, so I don't think it's a case of Fedia not respecting the anonymity settings...
Anyway, I'll go back and edit the images in the original post to use the embed format for convenience. (They show up as expandos here regardless.)
Lmao like I'm going to go back and read your nonsense. Your reason in the deletion comment was "none". Way to project, and your parents marital status has nothing to do with you being a bastard. For a name like tokenboomer you retort like a 12 year old.
I was trying to talk down to your level, but apparently canât get low enough. Youâre not making the case that removing your comment wasnât justified. I had to remove 30+ comments from âNegative Nancyâsâ like yourself. It took long enough. Iâm not gonna coddle every insecure ego with an explanation. Youâll live. I just had a comment removed from /news. Am I on here bitching in a Post. No. Because Iâm an adult and understand that moderating communities isnât easy. Itâs time consuming and thankless. You think youâre the only person upset that their comment was removed? Moderators and Admins are just people doing the best that we can.
LOL⌠youâre not doing yourself any favors by insulting the people accusing you of power tripping.
For the record: removing comments that violate no rules just for simply disagreeing with a post- without giving reason for each removal, and then updating the post with flimsy reasoning for removal is by definition- BAD MODERATING.
And If you can still find yourself defending your decision to silence people simply for disagreeing with your point- you have no business being a moderator.
Have you ever moderated a community? Glass housesâŚ
I allowed free discussion on that post for a day. A post about organizing against Trump and fascism. And it wasnât until the discussion degraded into apathy, negativity and discouragement that I decided that it was necessary, for the spirit of the post, to remove comments. I could not allow the melancholy of insecure individuals to influence participation in a protest movement that hopefully will save America. Judging by the reactions, it was necessary and warranted.
As for insults- Donât insult me, and I wonât insult you.
I have moderated many in the past- and I only moderate a few currently. And I can tell you from my experience over the years- doing shit your way is the opposite of what defines a good moderator.
And if it helps, because it sort of relates-
If youâre going to ask a question, maybe allow the person questioned, to answer before you drop accusations on them. Because the âglass housesâ this makes you come off as someone smug and obnoxious.
Itâs your community, moderate as you see fit- but know that your not entitled to have everyone agree with you.
As someone who just wanted to understand the protest and offer why I feel the mission is too ambitious, it feels more like you just wanted to post something without considering how it would be perceived.
The spirit of lemmy is genuine discussion, not posting for the sake of gaining visibility without allowing the community to digest it all together.
You think itâs too ambitious to resist fascism? It was my fault for posting about a strike to a discussion forum. And usually I would allow open discussion. But, this is one of the few platforms where the resistance can organize, and the many discouraging comments and general apathy about fighting back could stifle participation in social movements going forward. I will not apologize for encouraging positive optimism while fighting authoritarian fascism. I encouraged users with criticism to contact the organization directly and influence its construction. The positive comments and recommendations are still in the comments of the post. Some of the critical comments were âiffyâ and I do apologize to users who got caught up in the removal. If this organization had a solid base and many members, I would have let criticism slide. But this organization and its network are in its infancy. It is critical in the beginning stages of a movement to encourage positive support and feedback. If users feel aggrieved I am sorry, but I would do it again. I hope they can understand.
If users feel aggrieved I am sorry, but I would do it again.
Further validating the opinion that if you canât accept that people will react differently than how you might want or expect them to, and you even think to silence them because of it- you have no business being a moderator.
I totally get your point. I dont accept people trying to flood anti-corporate with negativity either.
Some of these are peeps that just recently arrived or reactivated their accounts after reddit went off another cliff.
The other half are paid actors, LLMs, bots and other trash that was sent here to run counter ops since people are not playing âfairâ with elon and zuck and are not using their platforms as often anymore to complain which is bad for business. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Youre doing good work mate! Thank you for being awesome.
To be honest this thing should just be fixed at the Lemmy UI level. Auto completion feature saves a lot of time, asking people to edit the links every time is unrealistic
It is. I would describe myself as an anarchist. Iâm partial to council communism, and an advocate for a participatory economy. Just because I donât join the circle-jerk of Marxist-Leninist hate doesnât make me a tankie.
If only it werenât for the fact that youâre an authoritarian, as has been shown in the point of this post, as well as your failed attempts to justify your decision to remove comments that you didnât like- comments that broke no rules.
I would love to live in a world without authority. But, in a country of 350 million, in a world of 8 billion, Iâm afraid it may not be possible. I try to remain optimistic and hopeful that it can happen. But, given the state of the world right now itâs tough.
Your submission in "@progressivepolitics@lemmy.world moderator shares a national shutdown proposal, deletes dozens of comments for being skeptical or critical" was removed for: No badjacketing.
A failed strike could entrench him more, so it's definitely important to get all stakeholders on board with a strategy they believe in. The UAW was already working on a plan when they ratified their most recent contract.
He seems to delete anything that doesnt align with his own personal (tankie) worldview, making up rules on the spot to justify said deletions. fortunately, blocking communities run by shitheads and the shitheads themselves is easy.
I made !unlockthread@lemm.ee for lockedthreads but yall can crosspost and recomment there (lol i dont see anyone actually using that community yet), this situation applies
I explained in an edit to the post why I did it. I didnât want to, but felt I had no choice. Iâm willing talk about it, if youâre willing to listen.
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fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 1y
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y
Egypt got fuck ton of money from USA to restore (their) order. Libya was toppled by the USA. Syria was destabilized and invaded by everyone around it (and the USA)
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y
Yes, Sadly the imperial order never ended. Just paid dictators instead of puppet states...
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
subignition@fedia.io · 17 pts · 1y
To clarify, there's definitely some outright flaming and incivility in there that warranted deletion, but there's a lot of valid comments and constructive criticism that got removed, too.
There's no formal rules on this comm except "be civil".
There is also a fair amount of deflecting in the thread ("I'm not affiliated with the movement, I'm just sharing it") in response to posts that stayed up - I feel like if you're sharing something on your own community, you ought to be prepared to have a discussion about it. You thought it was worth posting, so there are probably reasons you thought that, right?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 1y
Is it just me or is Imgur completely unusable now?
subignition@fedia.io · 5 pts · 1y
The expandos aren't loading right on Fedia, but I can click through the direct links without issue. I've been using Imgur for a while because it had an easy integration with ShareX. Happy to take suggestions for another image host if you have some though, I'm sure I'm behind the times on this.
reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y
I see Catbox used quite often around here.
subignition@fedia.io · 4 pts · 1y
edit: It works! Thank you kind stranger!
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y
https://postimages.org/
Catbox doesn't work for some people
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
if you want the files to disappear after a few hours or max 3 days, you can also use Litterbox
reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
Use your new powers responsibly and have a good one.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
I saw that post in my feed and scrolled through all the deleted comments. Checked the modlogs to see what was removed and immediately thought- yeah, that post will end up here.
PTB for sure.
Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 1y
I don't think anyone's gonna click all those links, matey.
edit: please check the posting guidelines in the sidebar
subignition@fedia.io · 7 pts · 1y
I could have embedded the screenshots instead I suppose, but honestly I struggle to remember how to do that on fedi sites because I don't do it very often.
I do have one post among the comments that were deleted, but I wanted to give a more zoomed-out overview of the goings-on rather than focusing on my own comment. If that's not close enough to the desired format, then my bad... If that's not what you're referring to, though, I wouldn't mind more specifics?
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y
Unruffled is probably referring to the rules which forbid the deobfuscating of mod names here to prevent harassment.
quick reminder regarding the embedding: the format is the same as linking stuff, but with an leading exclamation mark:
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1y
Most clients allow me one to simple copy paste the image and it will be re-uploaded to lemmy
subignition@fedia.io · 1 pts · 1y
As far as I can tell, Fedia allows me to directly upload one image from the filesystem (not the clipboard) when submitting a new thread. I confess I was too lazy to open Paint and stitch together all the mod log images. đ
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
Ah yes I don't know about the kbin/piefed stuff. Was talking about lemmy specifically.
subignition@fedia.io · 0 pts · 1y
No worries! All our different platforms are doing their best! đ
subignition@fedia.io · 2 pts · 1y
đ¤ Deobfuscating the mod name would require me to be an instance admin, right? My screenshots were taken directly from my instance's mod log. I took that to mean the moderation actions were done publicly (not set to anonymous by the moderator). Since the rule didn't say "Always censor mod names" I thought I was doing things right. I suppose it's possible there is an inconsistency in how Fedia displays the mod log, but I do see anonymous mod actions in there from time to time, so I don't think it's a case of Fedia not respecting the anonymity settings...
Anyway, I'll go back and edit the images in the original post to use the embed format for convenience. (They show up as expandos here regardless.)
PlainSimpleGarak@lemmings.world · 10 pts · 1y
In my experience, too many .world mods are shit. Just Reddit all over again.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
The bastard deleted my comment. All i said was that it looked like a facebook chain post (1 like = 1 prayer, share for jesus).
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -21 pts · 1y
I explained why in an Edit to the Post. But youâre too self-absorbed to understand it. Also, my parents were married.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Lmao like I'm going to go back and read your nonsense. Your reason in the deletion comment was "none". Way to project, and your parents marital status has nothing to do with you being a bastard. For a name like tokenboomer you retort like a 12 year old.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 1y
I was trying to talk down to your level, but apparently canât get low enough. Youâre not making the case that removing your comment wasnât justified. I had to remove 30+ comments from âNegative Nancyâsâ like yourself. It took long enough. Iâm not gonna coddle every insecure ego with an explanation. Youâll live. I just had a comment removed from /news. Am I on here bitching in a Post. No. Because Iâm an adult and understand that moderating communities isnât easy. Itâs time consuming and thankless. You think youâre the only person upset that their comment was removed? Moderators and Admins are just people doing the best that we can.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
LOL⌠youâre not doing yourself any favors by insulting the people accusing you of power tripping.
For the record: removing comments that violate no rules just for simply disagreeing with a post- without giving reason for each removal, and then updating the post with flimsy reasoning for removal is by definition- BAD MODERATING.
And If you can still find yourself defending your decision to silence people simply for disagreeing with your point- you have no business being a moderator.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 1y
Have you ever moderated a community? Glass housesâŚ
I allowed free discussion on that post for a day. A post about organizing against Trump and fascism. And it wasnât until the discussion degraded into apathy, negativity and discouragement that I decided that it was necessary, for the spirit of the post, to remove comments. I could not allow the melancholy of insecure individuals to influence participation in a protest movement that hopefully will save America. Judging by the reactions, it was necessary and warranted.
As for insults- Donât insult me, and I wonât insult you.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
I have moderated many in the past- and I only moderate a few currently. And I can tell you from my experience over the years- doing shit your way is the opposite of what defines a good moderator.
And if it helps, because it sort of relates-
If youâre going to ask a question, maybe allow the person questioned, to answer before you drop accusations on them. Because the âglass housesâ this makes you come off as someone smug and obnoxious.
Itâs your community, moderate as you see fit- but know that your not entitled to have everyone agree with you.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 1y
What community on Lemmy do you moderate?
Edit: Just looked through the modlog at some of your comments. Being smug and obnoxious to you is too nice. You call people trolls. Lol
Prontomomo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
As someone who just wanted to understand the protest and offer why I feel the mission is too ambitious, it feels more like you just wanted to post something without considering how it would be perceived.
The spirit of lemmy is genuine discussion, not posting for the sake of gaining visibility without allowing the community to digest it all together.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 1y
You think itâs too ambitious to resist fascism? It was my fault for posting about a strike to a discussion forum. And usually I would allow open discussion. But, this is one of the few platforms where the resistance can organize, and the many discouraging comments and general apathy about fighting back could stifle participation in social movements going forward. I will not apologize for encouraging positive optimism while fighting authoritarian fascism. I encouraged users with criticism to contact the organization directly and influence its construction. The positive comments and recommendations are still in the comments of the post. Some of the critical comments were âiffyâ and I do apologize to users who got caught up in the removal. If this organization had a solid base and many members, I would have let criticism slide. But this organization and its network are in its infancy. It is critical in the beginning stages of a movement to encourage positive support and feedback. If users feel aggrieved I am sorry, but I would do it again. I hope they can understand.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
Further validating the opinion that if you canât accept that people will react differently than how you might want or expect them to, and you even think to silence them because of it- you have no business being a moderator.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 1y
âŚyawn
Prontomomo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Iâm not trying to convince you, this isnât an argument, itâs discussion.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 1y
Itâs not a discussion or an argument. I decided 2 days ago. This was an explanation. It is, what it is.
haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com · 1 pts · 1y
I totally get your point. I dont accept people trying to flood anti-corporate with negativity either.
Some of these are peeps that just recently arrived or reactivated their accounts after reddit went off another cliff.
The other half are paid actors, LLMs, bots and other trash that was sent here to run counter ops since people are not playing âfairâ with elon and zuck and are not using their platforms as often anymore to complain which is bad for business. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Youre doing good work mate! Thank you for being awesome.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1y
The hypocrisy in someone posting about a national shutdown in protest of a forceful dictatorship-
-then going on to delete most of the comments because they donât like that they disagree with their narrative is- Well.. you knowâŚ..
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1y
!Resist@fedia.io
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
Non Lemmy you meant? đ
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
To be honest this thing should just be fixed at the Lemmy UI level. Auto completion feature saves a lot of time, asking people to edit the links every time is unrealistic
I try to pay attention on !newcommunities@lemmy.world though
fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
3dmvr@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
I feel bad for reccomended world I take those comments back
catloaf@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 1y
Is the moderor of that subreddit tokenboomer? Because Iâve had them tagged as âTankieâ for a while now.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 1y
It is. I would describe myself as an anarchist. Iâm partial to council communism, and an advocate for a participatory economy. Just because I donât join the circle-jerk of Marxist-Leninist hate doesnât make me a tankie.
Rhoeri@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
If only it werenât for the fact that youâre an authoritarian, as has been shown in the point of this post, as well as your failed attempts to justify your decision to remove comments that you didnât like- comments that broke no rules.
guaraguaito@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
So then you clearly arenât a tankie, Iâm saying this as an ancom myself. I must misinterpreted something you said.
But I do often label people who continually will defend Russia/China as tankies.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 1y
I would love to live in a world without authority. But, in a country of 350 million, in a world of 8 billion, Iâm afraid it may not be possible. I try to remain optimistic and hopeful that it can happen. But, given the state of the world right now itâs tough.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 1y
Your submission in "@progressivepolitics@lemmy.world moderator shares a national shutdown proposal, deletes dozens of comments for being skeptical or critical" was removed for: No badjacketing.
catloaf@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 1y
Is it badjacketing when they make posts like "fascism is necessary"?
https://lemmy.world/post/25250918
Maybe "alt-right" is not the right label, but they definitely don't seem like a good-faith actor to me.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
Looks to me that video title is facetious
catloaf@lemm.ee · 0 pts · 1y
Read their comments on that post, then. Right near the top:
Organizing workers through fascism is still fascism.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
Did you watch the video or what?
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 0 pts · 1y
jonne@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 1y
A failed strike could entrench him more, so it's definitely important to get all stakeholders on board with a strategy they believe in. The UAW was already working on a plan when they ratified their most recent contract.
archonet@lemy.lol · 1 pts · 1y
He seems to delete anything that doesnt align with his own personal (tankie) worldview, making up rules on the spot to justify said deletions. fortunately, blocking communities run by shitheads and the shitheads themselves is easy.
3dmvr@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
I made !unlockthread@lemm.ee for lockedthreads but yall can crosspost and recomment there (lol i dont see anyone actually using that community yet), this situation applies
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 1y
I explained in an edit to the post why I did it. I didnât want to, but felt I had no choice. Iâm willing talk about it, if youâre willing to listen.