yeah Vim takes a lot of effort to learn. Like any advanced tool. I will 100% always fire up nano when in a hurry. but i like trying to learn Vim as an exercise (in torture? idk haha)
When I first installed a distribution where the base system only came with nano instead of standard editors, I was very confused (and very disappointed that this whas what they'd come up with as a "friendly" interface).
well, like the parent of my comment said, nano is a lot easier to use than vim or emacs. nano is much more like DOS edit or stuff like that. there are many memes about not being able to quit Vim, etc
well, true...i mean both are right in different contexts (like, dos, is it disk operating system, denial of service, a card game or the spanish word for two? depends on context)
Back in the early 2000s I met some guy who had once sold a copy of edit.exe to some store as if it were some software he had written for managing orders and inventory. The folks at the store used windows, but they would open up edit.exe and it looked just like the stuff that the larger store chains used to manage their own orders... The guy just made a sample file and instructed them how to input data in a specific format that made it all look like a table, but it was just a text file with no validation of any kind.
Nah. I was so annoyed by how primitive editors are that I started writing my own one, that would allow me to seamlessly traverse the AST of the code, rather than being stuck on the low abstraction levels of characters, words and paragraphs. After a bunch of misery making tree-sitter work with Haskell, and using it for a while, I stumbled upon Helix. It is pretty much my idea but faster and working well.
Also the object-verb and selection-verb paradigm just makes so much more sense compared to vim's verb-object/-motion paradigm. Especially with the ability to have multiple cursors and selections. It's so powerful.
I started with Emacs for about a year or two, then vim for about 10+ years, then neovim, then VS Code with vim bindings for a few years, then Kakoune, which was very interesting, then VS Code with Kakoune bindings, then the switch to Helix was very natural. Never looked back after about 2 years with Helix.
It's basically everything I loved from VS Code but in the terminal. And all the keyboard goodness from vim and Kakoune, combined. It's great.
That's not what I want though. I really enjoy jumping around the actual syntax tree of the code, e.g. "select the entire function body" or "select the next list element", stuff like this. It becomes the natural way of traversing the code after a short while. Also, Emacs is still single-threaded and thus quite laggy and slow at times; however I do like it a lot and have used it for a number of years (with evil-mode), before finally jumping to my own editor and then helix.
Edlin is a line editor, and the only text editor provided with early versions of IBM PC DOS,[1] MS-DOS and OS/2.[2] Although superseded in MS-DOS 5.0 and later by the full-screen MS-DOS Editor, and by Notepad in Microsoft Windows, it continues to be included in the 32-bit versions of current Microsoft operating systems.
edit: link and explanation of syntax used if anyone is interested. the w (write) and q (quit) commands made it somewhat similar to VI(M).
https://www.computerhope.com/edlin.htm
That tool was only included with Windows XP Professional, and even then, it was a command-line utility—so unless you were specifically looking for it or browsing through the %windir%\system32 directory, you probably wouldn’t have noticed it.
The article I referenced didn’t specify exactly which 32-bit versions it came with or when it was removed—it just mentioned that it was still included in 32-bit Windows after the DOS era. I didn’t write the article myself, so I can’t really speak to its accuracy.
Personally, I used that edline a lot back in the DOS days starting around 1985, until I switched to Notepad in Windows 95 and later to VIM when I moved to Linux after Windows 98. I never really checked for it in newer versions of Windows after that. A quick Google search confirmed it wasn’t included in XP Home, which would explain why you never saw it.
I remember using Notepad for a long time for coding in Windows. Then I was introduced to UltraEdit. It was cool, but expensive. Jumped onto NotePad++ and I've been enjoying it lots.
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AnAustralianPhotographer@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 1y
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
I learned on VIM, but when I found Nano there was no going back.
ztwhixsemhwldvka@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 1y
That's like saying you ate sourdough but then discovered wonder bread
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
More like sourdough doesn't go good with everything. Different tastes for different things.
caseyweederman@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 1y
It's time for you to find Micro. The cycle continues.
jdeath@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
wow, nano is usually everyone's first editor and them moving on to Vim. interesting to invert that. what do you like about nano?
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Ease of use. When it comes to coding I prefer a GUI as well.
I used Vim when I first installed Linux. It was painful but I used it. I found Nano and I stopped using Vim. No comparison in usability.
jdeath@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 1y
yeah Vim takes a lot of effort to learn. Like any advanced tool. I will 100% always fire up nano when in a hurry. but i like trying to learn Vim as an exercise (in torture? idk haha)
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
That depends a lot on when they started.
When I first installed a distribution where the base system only came with nano instead of standard editors, I was very confused (and very disappointed that this whas what they'd come up with as a "friendly" interface).
jdeath@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
well, like the parent of my comment said, nano is a lot easier to use than vim or emacs. nano is much more like DOS edit or stuff like that. there are many memes about not being able to quit Vim, etc
AnAustralianPhotographer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
vala@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Does nano have LSP support?
Edit: LSP = Language Server Protocol
ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1y
AnAustralianPhotographer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Boomkop3@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 1y
If I had to guess they're on about the "language server protocol"
vala@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Yeah
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
jdeath@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 1y
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
iirc "lsp" = file extension of lisp
vala@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
LSP = Language Server Protocol
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
well, true...i mean both are right in different contexts (like, dos, is it disk operating system, denial of service, a card game or the spanish word for two? depends on context)
vala@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
My point is that when I asked the question:
I meant Language Server Protocol.
Phen@lemmy.eco.br · 26 pts · 1y
Back in the early 2000s I met some guy who had once sold a copy of edit.exe to some store as if it were some software he had written for managing orders and inventory. The folks at the store used windows, but they would open up edit.exe and it looked just like the stuff that the larger store chains used to manage their own orders... The guy just made a sample file and instructed them how to input data in a specific format that made it all look like a table, but it was just a text file with no validation of any kind.
tetris11@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 1y
Still, a template can be immensely useful
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 23 pts · 1y
i edit all my html in an actual physical notebook like a civilised person
jdeath@lemm.ee · 7 pts · 1y
wish i could find my old notepads full of BASIC and HTML lol
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
as a matter of fact many of my batch and basic thingies were made on the margins of my history notebooks
victorz@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
I use helix btw
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 1y
a fellow man of
culture"why even bother with that theyre just text editors" i seebalsoft@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 1y
Nah. I was so annoyed by how primitive editors are that I started writing my own one, that would allow me to seamlessly traverse the AST of the code, rather than being stuck on the low abstraction levels of characters, words and paragraphs. After a bunch of misery making tree-sitter work with Haskell, and using it for a while, I stumbled upon Helix. It is pretty much my idea but faster and working well.
victorz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Also the object-verb and selection-verb paradigm just makes so much more sense compared to vim's verb-object/-motion paradigm. Especially with the ability to have multiple cursors and selections. It's so powerful.
I started with Emacs for about a year or two, then vim for about 10+ years, then neovim, then VS Code with vim bindings for a few years, then Kakoune, which was very interesting, then VS Code with Kakoune bindings, then the switch to Helix was very natural. Never looked back after about 2 years with Helix.
It's basically everything I loved from VS Code but in the terminal. And all the keyboard goodness from vim and Kakoune, combined. It's great.
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
A lot of the Emacs language modes have been replaced with tree-sitter equivalents now.
balsoft@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1y
That's not what I want though. I really enjoy jumping around the actual syntax tree of the code, e.g. "select the entire function body" or "select the next list element", stuff like this. It becomes the natural way of traversing the code after a short while. Also, Emacs is still single-threaded and thus quite laggy and slow at times; however I do like it a lot and have used it for a number of years (with evil-mode), before finally jumping to my own editor and then helix.
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1y
Same with neovim
acidowl@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 1y
ed master race
wise_pancake@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 1y
ed is the standard editor
jxk@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1y
Viitor and emacsitor aren't even words
Thcdenton@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
Ed Is The Standard Text Editor
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
ik
gbuttersnaps@programming.dev · 7 pts · 1y
I use emacs with evil, best of both worlds
y0din@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
edlin was my favorite for a long time 🙂
Edlin is a line editor, and the only text editor provided with early versions of IBM PC DOS,[1] MS-DOS and OS/2.[2] Although superseded in MS-DOS 5.0 and later by the full-screen MS-DOS Editor, and by Notepad in Microsoft Windows, it continues to be included in the 32-bit versions of current Microsoft operating systems.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edlin
edit: link and explanation of syntax used if anyone is interested. the w (write) and q (quit) commands made it somewhat similar to VI(M). https://www.computerhope.com/edlin.htm
zerofk@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 1y
Finally someone mentions edlin! Real programmers don’t need to see more than a single line at a time.
y0din@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
that is absolutely true and also 640Kb RAM should be enough for everyone 😂
all the hours and countless reboots spent optimizing config.sys and autoexec.bat to achieve 50kb more of available memory... good memories 🙂
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
i just moved my files off to an external drive whenever my hdd got full haha
i didnt really trust my coding skills enough to come close to config.sys...
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
why did i never see it on my 32bit winxp then
y0din@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Were you using Windows XP Home, by any chance?
That tool was only included with Windows XP Professional, and even then, it was a command-line utility—so unless you were specifically looking for it or browsing through the %windir%\system32 directory, you probably wouldn’t have noticed it.
The article I referenced didn’t specify exactly which 32-bit versions it came with or when it was removed—it just mentioned that it was still included in 32-bit Windows after the DOS era. I didn’t write the article myself, so I can’t really speak to its accuracy.
Personally, I used that edline a lot back in the DOS days starting around 1985, until I switched to Notepad in Windows 95 and later to VIM when I moved to Linux after Windows 98. I never really checked for it in newer versions of Windows after that. A quick Google search confirmed it wasn’t included in XP Home, which would explain why you never saw it.
Link to the forum I found this information about XP in: http://murc.ws/forum/hardware/general-hardware-software/49698-omg-edlin-still-lives-in-xp#post755768
(edit: fixed a typo, added reference link)
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
OHHHHH THAT EXPLAINS IT
yes im a home user
Kojichan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
I remember using Notepad for a long time for coding in Windows. Then I was introduced to UltraEdit. It was cool, but expensive. Jumped onto NotePad++ and I've been enjoying it lots.
I do also use IDEs, usually Codium based.
Droggelbecher@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
gedit gang
FMT99@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
yeee
RustyShackleford@programming.dev · 4 pts · 1y
Helix, ftw.
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 1y
NeoVim with NVchad stomps both
PokerChips@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1y
Then add tmux with terminal or tiling trminal and i3 amd you have the ultimate spacecraft
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
and install arch linux while youre at it lol
Reptorian@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1y
I use KDE Kate for my coding. Scripting more accurately to some users, but I don't find a meaningful distinction.
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1y
Helix!
hellfire103@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y
Micro ftw!
(I also use Geany, Featherpad, Vim, ee(1), and JOE)
lengau@midwest.social · 3 pts · 1y
Kate
pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1y
text editor
dosuser123456@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 1y
true