Europe cracks down after rise in 'direct action' climate protests

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/after-rise-climate-direct-action-europe-cracks-down-2023-08-10/

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Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 3y

"Everyone calm down and die in an orderly fashion!"

Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee · -16 pts · 3y (8 replies)

Oh my god, everyone is retarded. Kids (people my age) are actively trying to be as retarded as possible by destroying property, something that discredits their cause. Police and lawmakers are retarded for absolutely abusing their powers. If I called the shots, kids could only be arrested after committing a crime, first offenders get arrested the 48 hours and get a week of community service, which should be enough to scare them into not being stupid. Repeated offenders can get actual jail time. Mass surveillance sure as hell ain’t ok and banning these organisations would only be ok if these actions DIRECTLY ORGANISED BY THEM are proved several times in court

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 3y (5 replies)

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Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee · -9 pts · 3y (4 replies)

Violence only breeds violence. It’s the kind of crap that polarizes people and breaks down compromises. The ends never, never justify the means, as the means will corrupt the ends. Just think of how often a democratic coup just fails because “temporary” dictatorial powers are necessary to maintain peace

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 3y

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Mysteriarch@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 3y

Read up on the history of... any emancipatory movement, really. Civil disobedience, strikes, direct action, have all involved some forms of violence (be it so-called vandalism, or direct confrontation between groups). Many in reaction to violence by the state or corporations (Battle of Blair Mountain!). Thinking we will achieve far-reaching goals without resorting to some sort of radical actions is ludicrous.

Lyrata@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 3y (1 reply)

You're also supposing that this climate crisis that the governments are currently inflicting on their people is not violence. And that the police beating protesters is not violence.

It is violence, and we should be able to defend ourselves.

TrismegistusMx@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 3y

It blows my mind that more people don't realize that police presence is a symptom of lack of representation. Healthy, content, and comfortable individual don't need to be policed. Discontent comes from injustice.

BastingChemina@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 3y

There are three kinds of violence.

The first, the mother of all others, is institutional violence, the kind that legalizes and perpetuates domination, oppression and exploitation, the kind that crushes and crushes millions of people in its silent, well-oiled machinery.

The second is revolutionary violence, born of the desire to abolish the first.

The third is repressive violence, whose aim is to stifle the second by becoming the auxiliary and accomplice of the first violence, the one that engenders all the others.

There is no greater hypocrisy than to call only the second violence, pretending to forget the first, which gives birth to it, and the third, which kills it."

This is a summary of an idea developed by Helder Camara

Hegar@kbin.social · 1 pts · 3y

Violence happens to people, not property.

Direct action against climate change turns violent when the state uses violence to stop it.

Bringing violence to bear against a situation is how states excersize power, because the power of the state IS literally just the ability to deploy violence.