I remember it was on the list of blocked instances, but now it's not,, and my page was just flooded with content from there - was that intentional?
Did we start federating with lemmygrad.ml?
I remember it was on the list of blocked instances, but now it's not,, and my page was just flooded with content from there - was that intentional?
13 Comments
ticoombs@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 3y
I initially added it on the blocked instances, but then reverted it after a day because it looked like there is 1 user who subscribed to a lemmygrad.ml community, & nothing had come from it yet (bad or good) so I thought taking a unilateral decision something that shouldn't be done and having a civil discussion around the cost benefit of having them allowed/blocked.
While I am not against adding it back to blocked instances if it ends up causing an issue, blocking it without a discussion would be against the openness I want to foster in this community. The only reason I would block an instance would be due to an attack against Reddthat, or the majority of users from that instance cause a problem with us.
Thus here we are, having a discussion about it. (Pinned to Local for everyone to see and discuss)
andyMFK@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 3y
Until they prove themselves worthy of defederation, I have no problem federating with them
doctortofu@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 3y
Got it, that's reasonable I guess - as long as it's not causing trouble, might as well give it a chance - thanks for the confirmation!
Stimmed@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 3y
Thank you for discussing with us :D
Personally, I am going to ignore unless it gets spammy, filter for my self if it does.
vracker@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 3y
When I saw them on the block list it gave me a chuckle. kind of a meme at this point.
PapyrusOsiris@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 3y
I'd much rather see us defederate from exploding.heads. although I have to admit that I haven't seen any objectionable posts from either instance in the wild yet.
ticoombs@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 3y
Mmmmm, I just saw some posts relating to this, but never any posts from them. If it becomes a problem then we'll sort it out 👍
Their rules look good and normal. As long as they end up moderating themselves, and don't brigade our users. I see no reason to bring out the nuclear option, when kind words work just as well.
Givesomefucks@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 3y
So...
Something like this:
https://exploding-heads.com/
Is going to be de-federated soon... Right?
Because at least on Reddit I could just block the problematic subs big enough to show up on /all.
But apparently we can't block whole instances and they keep making new subs (or whatever they're called) so it's just whack a mole.
Did you choose to federate with that shitshow? Or does every instance automatically federate and pruning bigots isn't something this I stance can deal with?
ticoombs@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 3y
Hello "Givesomefucks",
I'm sorry that you are having troubles. Federation happens when users on our instance search for a community on another instance. As you can see from "All", we currently have a couple of users on Reddthat who has subscribed to the communities on exploding-heads.
I agree that the current moderation controls are non-existent. This is a known issue for users, moderators and server administrators alike. The Lemmy fediverse went from ~2000 active users to over 100k in a little over a week. These issues are problems that the developers and users are finding and creating fixes for.
There are only two real levels/options available for us.
What is coming out soon (I hope) will be the option for Users to perform a block/filter on an instance level. That would completely solve your problem as I understand it.
If they are specifically targeting you, attacking other Reddthat users or completely attacking Reddthat at a whole. Then we would consider defederating. That goes with any instance in the fediverse, and does not go specifically towards this instance.
I try to be very transparent with these items, as do other server admins. Making a unilateral decision to block an instance purely on different opinions is something that goes against the type of community that I would like Reddthat to become. People are able to have different opinions. Without a different of opinions, the world would be a very boring place.
I hope you understand our point of view, why the federation initially happened. When and why a defederation would happen, and that moderation & filtering tools for users will be coming soon.
Cheers,
Tiff
Givesomefucks@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 3y
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So, if someone from this instance subs to a nazi community, is that just a "different opinion" we all have to deal with?
I'm just curious if there's a line at all, if you're saying that instance isn't bad enough to defederate, especially since when I looked the only thing going on there is bigotry and complaining about being defederated by a bunch of instances with active moderation.
I do really like the level of communication here, but I'll probably just join one of the many many instances that have already defederated from them.
No worries
Edit:
That update that shut this down for a day broke stuff btw. My notifications won't go away and trying to delete this account just refreshes the page...
So I guess you get a permanent zombie subscriber, I've got a feeling a lot of people had the same issue.
For everyone else:
Try out lemmy.world for an option that blocks problematic instances and allows you to downvote bigotry when you do see it.
doctortofu@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 2y
Just a random bit if info, but it seems they decided to block us for some reason:
https://defed.xyz/check/reddthat.com
Wine what that's about... Oh well, their loss I guess :)