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c/techtakes · by corbin@awful.systems · 3y

upside-down thinking: the law is not for entrepreneurs

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37177550

A well-respected pirate, neighbor, and Lisper is also a chud. Welcome to HN, the Nazi Bar where everybody's also an expert in technology.

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200fifty@awful.systems · 11 pts · 3y (11 replies)

Raise your hands if you’d rather go back to a world without Airbnb.

I mean the sneers just write themselves

self@awful.systems · 11 pts · 3y (8 replies)

the very next paragraph:

Self driving cars, ditto. Cruise’s fleet is finally deployed all around SF, according to pg. It’s about to become as ubiquitous as electricity. And in the beginning, so many people argued that it’s against the law and therefore shouldn’t be developed. Then it quietly shifted to well, maybe the law should change.

it’s fun to watch self-described engineers tie themselves into knots to defend dangerous technology. this is why programmers aren’t allowed to design bridges (at least until we find a billionaire stupid enough to fund a bridgetech startup (and it’s probably going to be musk))

fasterandworse@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3y (5 replies)

They should all read Henry Petroski’s To Engineer Is Human before they call themselves engineers

gerikson@awful.systems · 6 pts · 3y (4 replies)

Shit, I have that book! Never read it though :(

fasterandworse@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3y (3 replies)

I’m afraid you can’t call yourself an engineer

gerikson@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3y (2 replies)

I (legally) can! Got the degree and everything.

("civilingenjör" is a protected term in Sweden, only graduates from technical universities can call themselves that)

fasterandworse@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3y (1 reply)

I didn’t know that! I was joking of course. I wonder if Alan Kay knows this, though. Have you seen this talk?

https://youtu.be/D43PlUr1x_E

fasterandworse@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3y

raktheundead@fedia.io · 6 pts · 3y (1 reply)

I've argued for a while that software "engineers" regularly develop the equivalent of the First Tay Bridge.

Evinceo@awful.systems · 9 pts · 3y

Wish we'd gone with software carpenter or software plumber.

gnomicutterance@hachyderm.io · 10 pts · 3y
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raktheundead@fedia.io · 9 pts · 3y

something something don't threaten me with a good time

fasterandworse@awful.systems · 10 pts · 3y (2 replies)

It’s good to obey the law. I certainly try. But treating it as some kind of holy grail of ethics is fraught with peril. You’re outsourcing your thinking to the lowest common denominator: it’s what people in positions of power feel is justice. Sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn’t. And when it isn’t, do you really want to be the kind of person that believes it should be obeyed no matter the tradeoffs?

Kinda sad to hear a person say something like this.

I grew up in the western suburbs of Sydney and this reminds me of the typical bogan attitude that drink driving is only bad if you get caught. This is no different.

fasterandworse@awful.systems · 10 pts · 3y

Sometimes it is. Sometimes it isn’t. And when it isn’t, do you really want to be the kind of person that believes it should be obeyed no matter the tradeoffs?

I'm not about obeying blindly but when it doesn't feel like "justice" it doesn't mean it isn't. These people want to sound smart, seem smart, and believe they are smart, but they are allergic to learning to understand.

bobtreehugger@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3y

That line stuck out to me as well -- the law isn't some holy Grail of ethics, it's literally the bare minimum.

Evinceo@awful.systems · 9 pts · 3y

He keeps talking though. This is my favorite bit:

The part I don’t understand is that you feel Gawker was scum. Thiel removed Gawker’s ability to be scum. Thus, by logic, the world was improved. Isn’t that the core of what you’re saying you wish billionaires did? Improve the world?