Thunderbird Shares New Details on Upcoming Pro Features (Thundermail's servers to be located in Germany! 🇩🇪)
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/08/new-details-on-thunderbird-pro-thundermail-ai-features
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2025/08/new-details-on-thunderbird-pro-thundermail-ai-features
21 Comments
RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 348d
Who would be able to access my emails at rest?
If the answer isn't abso-fucking-lutely no one, I'm not interested.
lena@gregtech.eu · 3 pts · 347d
How would that work? Their mail server still has to receive emails on your behalf.
Unless you mean whether they plan to sell data, which I agree they should absolutely not.
RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 347d
In transit, it's impossible to get them all, though it should support PGP to anyone else that has it.
At rest, it should all be locked down so only I can access, they may have to store some messages temporarily until I connect to provide the encryption, but everything else better be completely inaccessible.
cooligula@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 347d
Emails could be end to end encrypted, so the mail server wouldnt be able to see the emails. Basicslly PGP but out-of-the-box
lena@gregtech.eu · 3 pts · 347d
The problem is that basically no one uses PGP. Adoption would be hard
cooligula@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 347d
But there are workarounds like the one Infomaniak uses (I believe Proton does it too). When sending an encrypted email to a non encrypted user, a link is sent instead of the contents of the email instead. In any case, encryption at rest with user provided keys and things like that are always an option.
lena@gregtech.eu · 1 pts · 347d
If the encryption at rest is done by the server, that defeats the point.
Also, how does the user receiving an encrypted email access it? Do they have to enter a password? How is the password transmitted to them?
Kissaki@programming.dev · 6 pts · 348d
That's big enough to do disk backups in the mailbox.
Mihies@programming.dev · 5 pts · 348d
I'd prefer exchange support first.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 348d
probably never gonna happen
Mihies@programming.dev · 5 pts · 348d
Actually they are working on it, albeit slowly, it seems. Fingers crossed and in the meantime there is davmail.
Quill7513@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 348d
oh well fuck me, this is mindblowing news. microsoft has always been so precious about the exchange protocol i just assumed that's the way it would always be
sjohannes@programming.dev · 3 pts · 348d
Their blog has regular updates regarding Exchange support, if you're interested.
Mihies@programming.dev · 1 pts · 347d
Yep. I even read somewhere that it should be possible (beta, at your risk) to enable it in the latest stable version, but wasn't unable to find the option and the info is really scarce.
zeropointone@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 348d
passepartout@feddit.org · 7 pts · 348d
Germany has become kind of a safe haven for a lot of Open Source projects. What's so bad about it?
zeropointone@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 348d
passepartout@feddit.org · 3 pts · 348d
Kind of. But hopefully at a slower rate / more reversible manner than the rest of the world.
zeropointone@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 348d
IceFoxX@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 348d
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 347d
returning*
Fuckers can't be trusted.
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 347d
"Turning into"? That sounds like the 2000s, eons ago in internet terms.
zeropointone@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 347d
cRazi_man@europe.pub · 4 pts · 348d
Yeah, I thought Germany was OK. That's why I went with Mailbox.org. i would also like to hear about the "yikes".
veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 347d
Basically they never stopped being nazis.
malloc@programming.dev · 2 pts · 348d
I just like the idea that it’s using stalwart as the collaboration server (mail/calendar/contacts) [1].
I host my own personal mail server with it and have had no issues so far.
[1] https://stalw.art/