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c/linuxmemes · by sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 358d

Running the joke to the ground

After this post, here is how you can ACTUALLY do all of that with Emacs.

All of these Emacs extensions are basically text-based and more or less difficult to use. You WILL have the core functions of the Google stuff, but don't expect to have a good time.

Degoogling:

For all my Emacs users out there, am I missing something ? Do you have alternatives / more usable recommandations ?-

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diemartin@sh.itjust.works · 45 pts · 358d (5 replies)

Great, now I need a replacement for emacs

runs

sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 357d (2 replies)

ofc if you don't want to edit code with Emacs, you can always run Vim in eshell in Emacs ! =P

or even (god forbid) running VSCode in Emacs in exwm mode

django@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 357d (1 reply)

I just use the built-in Evil Mode.

sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 357d

Best of both worlds

Usernamealreadyinuse@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 357d (1 reply)
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chottomatte@lemdro.id · 16 pts · 358d (12 replies)

I have been so lazy when it comes to learn emacs and vim, but this sounds interesting enough as a start

sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 357d (9 replies)

Interesting for sure, but I would not recommend going for most of these packages unless you are already very familiar with Emacs.

Here are the steps I would recommend if you find motivation to learn the editor:

  1. Install it, learn the basic use and navigation
  2. Focus on learning and configuring it for your main use-case (writing code in a specific language, taking notes, writing papers, playing Tetris, etc.). This might take a while.
  3. Question life, re-try VSCode and get instantly grossed out.
  4. ???
  5. Try weird packages, moving most of you digital life inside Emacs.

Enjoy =)

NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de · 10 pts · 357d (1 reply)

May I suggest trying VS Codium instead of VS Code for step 3 and potentially (not guaranteed) not be grossed out too much? It's a FOSS version of VS Code that removes telemetry and most of the gross Microsoft stuff.

@chottomatte@lemdro.id, see above

chottomatte@lemdro.id · 5 pts · 357d

Thank you, I've tried it before, but it still has some restrictions like extensions , in my experience I didn't notice a difference as I don't use a lot of extensions, but I still prefer to stay away from anything that Microsoft put limitations on , even if it doesn't affect me now, it might later

chottomatte@lemdro.id · 5 pts · 357d (6 replies)

Thank you, I didn't mean I'll rush and install all of the mentioned things in the post, but it motivates me to learn

actually I have two problems: 1- I don't know where to start 2- I'm too lazdy to search for resources so I start

And please don't mention that VS code piece of shit in front of me even as an example, I can only use Windows as OS , one product by Microsoft is enough to tortue me

sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 357d (3 replies)

Okay so here's the thing: Emacs runs best on Linux and MacOS (allegedly, bc UNIX-like) but it is more difficult to make it do what you want on Windows (afaik, never tried this). You'll probably need WSL.

So if you have to stick with Windows, I'd suggest to search specifically for configurations and advice from other people who have done this. It will give you a base for installing and probably running a custom configuration.

From there, that my point 2), you should focus on trying and making YOUR workflow to run in Emacs. I really suggest to focus on one thing at the time and configuring it until it works the way you want. Otherwise you'll end up with many half-backed systems and that's frustrating.

What is your main use-case then? Maybe I can give some more precise advice if I'm familiar with it!

chottomatte@lemdro.id · 3 pts · 357d (2 replies)

Thank you, I'll take your notes into consideration , currently it's just learning C , I use Code::Block for it

sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 357d (1 reply)

Sweet! It's actually my main language. C mode is built-in so no concern on that side.

Some general advice:

  • I leaned it way too late, but you can use M-x compile and then type your build command (make clean && make all) instead of using a terminal to compile your project.
  • Try to learn a bit about Makefiles, it's useful. Avoid cmake like plague.
  • C is great for embedded, so you should look up TRAMP if that's your use case; it basically removes the need for SSH-ing from a shell.

To have Emacs behave like an IDE:

  • Install clang17 clang17-extra-tools bear on the host system.
  • Configure eglot and company in your Emacs config:
(use-package eglot)
(add-hook 'c-mode-hook 'eglot-ensure)
(with-eval-after-load 'eglot
  (add-to-list 'eglot-server-programs
               '((c-mode c++-mode)
                 . ("clangd"))))

(use-package company)
(add-hook 'after-init-hook 'global-company-mode)
  • Use the bear tool (ex. bear --config bear_config.json -- make all) to make the non-trivial project understandable by Emacs. Since it re-uses your Makefile, it even works for cross-compilation!

Good luck!

chottomatte@lemdro.id · 2 pts · 356d

Thank you very much, I highly appreciate your help

bobo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 357d (1 reply)

Answer to both 1 and 2: start with an Emacs "distro" like Doom Emacs or Spacemacs. Starting from scratch as a beginner is a surefire way to quit.

chottomatte@lemdro.id · 3 pts · 357d

Thank you , I'll check it

TwilightKiddy@programming.dev · 5 pts · 357d (1 reply)

If you want a modal editor, you can also give Helix a try. Many people find it easier to use if you are coming in with no prior modal editor experience.

chottomatte@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 357d

Thank you , I'll check it

j4k3@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 357d (1 reply)

Gptel is better than ellama. Ollama only runs small junk. Llama.cpp is way better because it will split CPU and GPU and run bigger quantized models, especially large MoEs on a 16 GB GPU.

I started trying to mess with image-dired today for a few minutes to try and get my training images and caption files to sync and scroll, but didn't get very far before just tiling... such a noob

sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 357d

Sweet, I'm editing the OP. Thanks for the input!

Usernamealreadyinuse@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 357d (1 reply)

You should remove ) after https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/mu4e)

And

https://lucidmanager.org/productivity/using-emacs-image-dired/)

And all the others

sunoc@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 357d

Thanks! I just added spaces in the parentheses. It should work better now.

Mika@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 357d

Love emacs, and have lots of ease-of-life functions and keybinds in it. But the UX of the base editor feels so dated. Like how pointer moves with scroll, how scrolling isn't smooth etc etc

boletus@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 356d

We need a degoogle.el to implement this!

art@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 357d

Rad

hexagonwin@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 357d

I really want to get into using Emacs properly but it really seems too difficult. I actually already use org a little bit but I don't think I'm using it properly lol. It runs and works really well on my potato pc compared to other electron garbage though..

desmosthenes@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 357d

Google Chromium, sans integration with Google https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium if you need a chromium browser