However there are Good Ram, Intenso, Emtec that make ram and storage.
For the peripherals there are Cherry, Roccat, Sharkoon, BeQuiet.
For routers there are Fritzbox, Mikrotik, Lancom, Turris Omnia, Teltonika, Vantiva.
We have to make the market conditions so that European companies can rise and that people can be more informed with their choices. It’s better to buy 20% European than 100% Chinese.
I mean buying european pc parts can support these companies to also expand into CPUs and GPUs. You can also talk your representatives for the need of computer manufacturing. You can buy Taiwanese and South Korean parts before Chinese.
support these companies to expand into CPUs and GPUs.
So uh… it’s clear you have no idea how mind-bendingly complex and expensive spinning up a bleeding edge chip fab is - let alone, at scale. I’m not talking about “convince Intel or AMD to make a euro fab”. I’m talking about “X-FAB and NXP announce chips to compete with Intel and AMD”.
This is not a simple thing to do. China is trying to do it, with some measure of success (Zhaoxin) - but it’s important to keep in mind that China is also very good at stealing IP and reverse engineering stuff in general, and particularly this field, as it has strategic importance for them, and they really don’t give a shit about IP laws outside of China. And the effort took a solid decade to get something that was performance-comparable to consumer-grade western x86 chips that were released a decade ago. That’s an astounding and incredible amount of advanced industrial bootstrapping, but at the same time, it’s not competitive in the context of advanced ICs. And moreover, I’m quite certain that any Euro company that went this route would not be taking the IP theft/RE route, because they’d probably not be keen on getting sued into oblivion by Intel and AMD.
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artiman@piefed.social · 28 pts · 346d
There aren't any European companies that make things such as CPUs and GPUs, so the website wouldn't be very good
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 21 pts · 346d
However there are Good Ram, Intenso, Emtec that make ram and storage.
For the peripherals there are Cherry, Roccat, Sharkoon, BeQuiet.
For routers there are Fritzbox, Mikrotik, Lancom, Turris Omnia, Teltonika, Vantiva.
We have to make the market conditions so that European companies can rise and that people can be more informed with their choices. It’s better to buy 20% European than 100% Chinese.
kopasz7@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 346d
Fractal cases I believe are european design but not made here.
the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 345d
There is phanteks as well. Both make phenomenal cases
the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 345d
Noctua are from austria and do coolers and fans
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 345d
I will add them to my list!
thatonecoder@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 346d
What about Endgame Gear? I believe they are based in Germany.
malwieder@feddit.org · 7 pts · 346d
It wouldn't have a lot of selection, would it?
maam@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 346d
That’s why you have to build up the pressure to buy european.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 345d
Please tell us which European CPU and GPU you would use for your next build
maam@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 345d
I mean buying european pc parts can support these companies to also expand into CPUs and GPUs. You can also talk your representatives for the need of computer manufacturing. You can buy Taiwanese and South Korean parts before Chinese.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 345d
So uh… it’s clear you have no idea how mind-bendingly complex and expensive spinning up a bleeding edge chip fab is - let alone, at scale. I’m not talking about “convince Intel or AMD to make a euro fab”. I’m talking about “X-FAB and NXP announce chips to compete with Intel and AMD”.
This is not a simple thing to do. China is trying to do it, with some measure of success (Zhaoxin) - but it’s important to keep in mind that China is also very good at stealing IP and reverse engineering stuff in general, and particularly this field, as it has strategic importance for them, and they really don’t give a shit about IP laws outside of China. And the effort took a solid decade to get something that was performance-comparable to consumer-grade western x86 chips that were released a decade ago. That’s an astounding and incredible amount of advanced industrial bootstrapping, but at the same time, it’s not competitive in the context of advanced ICs. And moreover, I’m quite certain that any Euro company that went this route would not be taking the IP theft/RE route, because they’d probably not be keen on getting sued into oblivion by Intel and AMD.
maam@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 345d
I never said it can be done overnight.
warmaster@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 346d
On github there's a repo with scraped pcpartpicker data. A good enough dev could build that website pretty easily.
https://github.com/docyx/pc-part-dataset
if you search for pcpartpicker on GH it will show you a bunch more cool stuff, like scripts to scrape it yourself, unofficial APIs, and more.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 345d
Can you link it please?
warmaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 345d
Done, I edited my original post.