The technological struggles are in some ways beside the point. The financial bet on artificial general intelligence is so big that failure could cause a depression.
What If There’s No AGI?
https://prospect.org/economy/2025-09-04-what-if-theres-no-agi/
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supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 29 pts · 329d
You ever wondered morbidly what it is like to stand at the foot of a beach with a massive tsunami towering before you?
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 329d
Silicon Valley thinking has been a monoculture for a decade at least.
Look at how crypto shot up and everyone wanted to build NFT shit. Then look at how gas that happened with AI.
NormalOnNSFW@lemmynsfw.com · 8 pts · 328d
That last stat is insane. We’re so screwed.
JonHammCock@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 329d
dang
hypnicjerk@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 328d
i've been saying for months that every billion we spend on LLMs etc. is moving us further away from AGI, not closer, and that retreat is accelerating.
it feels so wildly irresponsible for evangelists like ellison to continue to hype this dumpster fire up. but then he doesn't stand to lose his mansions, his islands, his jets.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 328d
I remember years ago before all this LLM hype went super saiyan talking to a guy who was studying to go into artificial intelligence (this was at some fairly prestigious northeast university). He clarified after some conversation that no he wasn't interested in machine learning and neural net style artificial intelligence, he was interested in the extension of logic based systems into more and more sophisticated means and of what kinds of rules and architecture best facilitated that.
I remember thinking something along the lines of "Trying to make intelligence with rules! That seems outdated!" at the time because I didn't know much about the topic other than that machine learning seemed to be drawing a huge amount of excitement.
I think about that moment sometimes and ponder how much of a fool I was, that guy was totally right, and you are too, we are running full speed away from most meaningful avenues of pursuit towards creating sentient artificial intelligence AND creating automated systems that can actually be entrusted with serious responsibility not to violate basic priniciples or hallucinate bullshit and hurt someone in the process... or just break constantly.
30p87@feddit.org · 12 pts · 329d
It always has been, and will be, AGI. A guy instead.
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 329d
They hire everyone back at 75% of their old wage to clean up the mess AI created.
NormalOnNSFW@lemmynsfw.com · 8 pts · 328d
I mean, there won’t be. Not with the current gen of transformers/attention/etc. It’s now been over eight years since the “Attention is All You Need” paper that kicked off all of this, and every company is just betting billions upon billions on scaling being enough when it so obviously isn’t. They could train a 20T parameter model and it wouldn’t be meaningfully better. The limits of the architecture were reached some time ago. The comedown will be rough.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 328d
then all software companies who replaced bulk of their junior coders with LLMs are fucked because you can't train an LLM to be a senior coder.
LLMhater1312@piefed.social · 1 pts · 101d
They are definitely trying to train them as a senior coder
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 328d
More like .... what if WE aren't intelligent?