Political ideologies are not defined by "belief" or your feelings, you are extremely incorrect and probably also a liberal, gatekeeping is great when the people being excluded are objective awful
Exactly. Fascists don't consider themselves fascist. Words have meaning. Your beliefs don't meet a specific ideological definition simply because you feel like they should.
Democrats call themselves leftists all the time while supporting non leftist policies and politicians while believing their party is left of center. It's no different than MAGA believing they are Christian despite being nothing like their Christ.
But you don't get to decide whether a person is Christian or not. You're not the arbiter of their belief. They decide what they are; all you get is an opinion about it.
Let leftists be leftists. We need all the help we can get.
If a person says they're a christian that doesn't believe in jesus then yes I absolutely do get to tell them they are definitionally not a christian, words mean things, read a book
Hrm, hard disagree there, and at the risk of sounded repetitive it's each person's decision to choose a party, not yours. You seem angry and I don't think you're in the mood to listen so I'll be blocking you. Have a day
They achieved goals that are completely antithetical to any coherent definition of leftism, the only practical result of collaborating with them will be the continuation of a status quo that is objectively evil
Of course I get to decide who a Christian is. If someone follows the Quran, attends Mosque, doesn't eat pork, and completely follows the traditions of Islam, they are Muslim. They may not "identify" as a Muslim, but that word has been polluted to the point of uselessness. Words have meaning. You can be something simply by meeting the definition of the term. Your own emotions are irrelevant.
I consider you to be a conservative republican because of your support of constitutional rights, therefore you are one. <-- incorrect because my arbitrarily-chosen criteria don't determine your identity, you do. Regardless of how I personally measure your beliefs, you are the one who decides them and their value. If my opinion of you is "conservative republican" then my emotions are irrelevant; I'm wrong and you're not one.
"You're not LEFTY enough! You must pass my purity tests or you are MAGA!"
Bullshit like this is why we'll never get anywhere. Any of you assholes notice America is now a fascist country? Anyone know how they got control? By not fucking fighting among themselves, that's fucking how.
We're going to have to take in some people who aren't 100% in agreement with every fucking point. THAT'S a hard pill to swallow.
Its a fascist country because liberals decided that 50 years of incremental fascism was acceptable, except you called it lesser evil. This is a bed liberals made for themselves and now cry that they dont like the monster they helped create
Back in the aughts, I remember people calling him a Nazi when he was running for mayor of San Francisco. I thought it was hyperbole. It's less clear than I realized.
By idiots you must mean those calling out your BlueMAGA tendencies. Your voting got us into this mess and you can't vote out fascism, specifically what the people you are voting for enables the problem and prevents anything from slipping back to the left
Because the typical liberal response is vote and then do nothing else or do things that will accomplish nothing like these oligarchy planned No Kings protests
Then why do the liberals spend millions to keep leftists from ballot access every election? Why would the Dems need to spend that much on fighting “irrelevant” movements?
They don't "spend millions" against leftists lol. They just ignore them entirely with the understanding that you guys have the rhetorical skills of chimps throwing feces. Most people disagree with you. You can spin whatever conspiracy theories you want to cope with that, but that is reality.
They sure do. Many millions spent in legal fees to block leftists from ballot access, propping up rightwing Dems primarying leftists, funneling funds into the campaigns of far right Republicans running against leftists, etc. Even a very expensive write-in campaign against their own candidate in Buffalo, because she was a leftist.
Weird that leftists are losing, but both parties are dumping massive effort into keeping leftists off the ballot, and trying to use federal agencies to stop leftist movements. Almost like they know something you don’t.
58 Comments
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 18 pts · 312d
You've clearly never interacted with a maoist /s
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 2 pts · 312d
Brutticus@midwest.social · 0 pts · 311d
I was gonna ask, hey you guys I just got here, whats going on with the Uighurs?
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 312d
No war in ba sing sa type ass
HailSeitan@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 312d
stinky@redlemmy.com · 4 pts · 311d
I'm afraid that's not correct :/
If a person calls themself a leftist and they genuinely believe it, then they are a leftist.
You don't get to gatekeep the movement. Sorry.
This meme is itself an example of leftist infighting; you could have been supportive but you chose to divide people instead. Trump would LOVE you.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 311d
Political ideologies are not defined by "belief" or your feelings, you are extremely incorrect and probably also a liberal, gatekeeping is great when the people being excluded are objective awful
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 311d
Exactly. Fascists don't consider themselves fascist. Words have meaning. Your beliefs don't meet a specific ideological definition simply because you feel like they should.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 311d
Democrats call themselves leftists all the time while supporting non leftist policies and politicians while believing their party is left of center. It's no different than MAGA believing they are Christian despite being nothing like their Christ.
stinky@redlemmy.com · -5 pts · 311d
But you don't get to decide whether a person is Christian or not. You're not the arbiter of their belief. They decide what they are; all you get is an opinion about it.
Let leftists be leftists. We need all the help we can get.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 311d
If a person says they're a christian that doesn't believe in jesus then yes I absolutely do get to tell them they are definitionally not a christian, words mean things, read a book
Soggy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 311d
"Leftist" isn't an identity, it's a description of political philosophy. An objective adjective.
stinky@redlemmy.com · -1 pts · 311d
Is "Liberal" or "Conservative" an identity? Is "MAGA" ? Why can a person not identify as a Leftist
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 311d
No. Those are in fact not identities.
stinky@redlemmy.com · 0 pts · 311d
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/identity
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 311d
Not when liberals try to control the situation with their reform bullshit.
stinky@redlemmy.com · -4 pts · 311d
Liberals achieved more of their goals this year than leftists did. Do you really want to exclude them as allies? We would outnumber MAGA.
Be practical. You can't get a perfect ally, but you can make friends willing to help your cause.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 311d
Liberals are MAGA. They are clueless about class solidarity and are hostile at the concept.
stinky@redlemmy.com · -4 pts · 311d
Hrm, hard disagree there, and at the risk of sounded repetitive it's each person's decision to choose a party, not yours. You seem angry and I don't think you're in the mood to listen so I'll be blocking you. Have a day
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 311d
Goddamn you're dumb
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 311d
You are in a communist community, you are welcome to support your right wing reactionaries somewhere else.
Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 311d
They achieved goals that are completely antithetical to any coherent definition of leftism, the only practical result of collaborating with them will be the continuation of a status quo that is objectively evil
WoodScientist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 311d
Of course I get to decide who a Christian is. If someone follows the Quran, attends Mosque, doesn't eat pork, and completely follows the traditions of Islam, they are Muslim. They may not "identify" as a Muslim, but that word has been polluted to the point of uselessness. Words have meaning. You can be something simply by meeting the definition of the term. Your own emotions are irrelevant.
stinky@redlemmy.com · -1 pts · 311d
I consider you to be a conservative republican because of your support of constitutional rights, therefore you are one. <-- incorrect because my arbitrarily-chosen criteria don't determine your identity, you do. Regardless of how I personally measure your beliefs, you are the one who decides them and their value. If my opinion of you is "conservative republican" then my emotions are irrelevant; I'm wrong and you're not one.
Good talk :)
nfreak@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 311d
Please read some actual leftist theory before spouting nonsense.
stinky@redlemmy.com · -2 pts · 311d
Saying "I'm a leftist" is a speech-act which positions you as such. ...Did you not know that?
nfreak@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 311d
Do you have any idea how many capitalist liberals think they're "leftists" because they have no idea what the word actually means
Words have meanings and definitions.
stinky@redlemmy.com · -2 pts · 311d
No, how many
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 3 pts · 311d
At least one, you might know him
shalafi@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 311d
Lemmy in a fucking nutshell.
"You're not LEFTY enough! You must pass my purity tests or you are MAGA!"
Bullshit like this is why we'll never get anywhere. Any of you assholes notice America is now a fascist country? Anyone know how they got control? By not fucking fighting among themselves, that's fucking how.
We're going to have to take in some people who aren't 100% in agreement with every fucking point. THAT'S a hard pill to swallow.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 311d
Its a fascist country because liberals decided that 50 years of incremental fascism was acceptable, except you called it lesser evil. This is a bed liberals made for themselves and now cry that they dont like the monster they helped create
morphballganon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 312d
Which group is the one saying "if Gavin Newsom is the democratic nominee for President, and you vote for him, you must be transphobic"?
Gold_E_Lox@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 312d
considering newsom does not want to end capitalism...
morphballganon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 311d
What does that have to do with transphobia?
UniversalBasicJustice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 311d
Hate and bigotry is good for business. Solidarity and community is good for labor.
superniceperson@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 311d
Gavin Newsom, the guy that makes George w bush look like a leftist?
qfe0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 311d
Back in the aughts, I remember people calling him a Nazi when he was running for mayor of San Francisco. I thought it was hyperbole. It's less clear than I realized.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 311d
He did a photo-op of personally destroying a homeless encampment, and is trying to outflank Trump’s right. He’s a nightmare.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 311d
there are none, because there are none to begin with. center right is the best you got in USA.
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 312d
the only "leftists" I be fighting are the ones who don't vote
other than that it's slightly upset debate
edit: oh God here come the idiots
anticolonialist@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 311d
Vote for who, your right wing POS posing as allies to the working class? Hard pass.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 311d
The liberals sued the socialist presidential candidate off my state’s ballot last time. If you want me to vote, tell them to stop doing that.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 311d
By idiots you must mean those calling out your BlueMAGA tendencies. Your voting got us into this mess and you can't vote out fascism, specifically what the people you are voting for enables the problem and prevents anything from slipping back to the left
QuinnyCoded@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 311d
you can vote AND do other stuff. You don't just vote and sit on your ass. idk how you came the conclusion that I meant that 😭😭😭
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 311d
Because the typical liberal response is vote and then do nothing else or do things that will accomplish nothing like these oligarchy planned No Kings protests
owsei@programming.dev · -4 pts · 311d
What are you doing?
FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com · 0 pts · 312d
Yep
Fuck those people
All so they can pretend to hold some moral high-ground
Fizz@lemmy.nz · -5 pts · 311d
There are liberals and authoritarians.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 4 pts · 311d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_D._Roosevelt_and_civil_rights
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Imperialists
https://sfmlkday.org/mlks-political-affiliations-and-beliefs/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23329173
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_liberalism
https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/cambridge-companion-to-nineteenthcentury-american-literature-and-politics/liberal-tradition-and-slavery/3210B7D631FFEDC3B3716C8F8FCB377E
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilien_Robespierre
(He's pretty based tho)
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 311d
Same animal.
CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 312d
You are losing. Fucking morons.
K1nsey6@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 311d
The group that's lost 2 elections to a carnival barker is claiming we are the ones losing?
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · -2 pts · 311d
Those losers have won enough to have political relevance, which you do not. You are literally not relevant enough to even lose to the orange turd.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 309d
Then why do the liberals spend millions to keep leftists from ballot access every election? Why would the Dems need to spend that much on fighting “irrelevant” movements?
nova_ad_vitum@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 309d
They don't "spend millions" against leftists lol. They just ignore them entirely with the understanding that you guys have the rhetorical skills of chimps throwing feces. Most people disagree with you. You can spin whatever conspiracy theories you want to cope with that, but that is reality.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 309d
They sure do. Many millions spent in legal fees to block leftists from ballot access, propping up rightwing Dems primarying leftists, funneling funds into the campaigns of far right Republicans running against leftists, etc. Even a very expensive write-in campaign against their own candidate in Buffalo, because she was a leftist.
Fact check me.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 311d
Weird that leftists are losing, but both parties are dumping massive effort into keeping leftists off the ballot, and trying to use federal agencies to stop leftist movements. Almost like they know something you don’t.