Pro tip for anyone in this situation: Squaring up on someone that close to them is assault (as distinct from battery which is if you make contact with them), and the woman not getting back when they told her to is obstruction. He's guilty of a felony and she can be arrested for a misdemeanor, if they really want to push either or both of those issues.
If you're going into it to maybe get arrested to make a point then fine. It's possible that the charges will be dropped or the grand jury won't indict, and giving resistance to these guys is absolutely a good thing to do. But, it's also possible that the legal consequences will be severe (even if they're following the normal rules instead of just snatching you to ICE detention). Honestly, they should be getting this type of stuff everywhere they show up. I'm just saying this so that people know what the deal is if they do decide to do this. There are a lot of TikTok lawyers who think that "not even doing anything" is in the statute, but it isn't.
To reiterate this point: Resistance may come with consequences, even if it is the right thing to do. There are many people who, for whatever reason, are unable or unwilling to shoulder the burden of those consequences, and that's okay. While it's true that they can't put all of us in prison, they can put any of us in prison. It's okay to avoid prison, especially if that means you can continue to resist in other ways.
When you decide to rise up, be aware that you're bringing family and friends along for the ride. Not only will they be affected by the consequences you experience, but you will need them more than ever. We are most certainly in this together, and unless you've had the explicit conversation with key people in your life about suffering those kinds of consequences together, and gotten a clear positive answer about that, it is perfectly sensible to back down.
To all those (not you, Phil) who complain behind keyboards that "That doesn't work" and "Always stand up to them" and "You're all cowards" - as usual, it's more complicated than that.
Look, buddy. I know a lot about the law and the various other lawerings. I'm well educated. Well versed. I know that situations like this -- agg assault wise -- they're very complex.
So you're just another online amateur law-knower stating definitively what the law is with exactly the same qualifications as the people you're challenging and criticizing.
Oh no apologies needed, I was just pointing out how much of a free speech platform reddit has become since they started making deals with tech companies for AI use
His patch says "US Border Patrol," so presumably CBP. Of course the whole thing is such a shit show that it could potentially be just a patch he slapped on there or something, but I would guess that he is CBP.
I'm scared just watching the video, I can't imagine how I would feel actually being there! Amazing seeing someone able to try to resist in that situation.
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RaoulDuke85@fedia.io · 56 pts · 298d
All these minority agents gonna find out the hard way that they aren’t on the right side when they are no longer needed.
DrDickHandler@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d
Wishful thinking.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 32 pts · 298d
Pro tip for anyone in this situation: Squaring up on someone that close to them is assault (as distinct from battery which is if you make contact with them), and the woman not getting back when they told her to is obstruction. He's guilty of a felony and she can be arrested for a misdemeanor, if they really want to push either or both of those issues.
If you're going into it to maybe get arrested to make a point then fine. It's possible that the charges will be dropped or the grand jury won't indict, and giving resistance to these guys is absolutely a good thing to do. But, it's also possible that the legal consequences will be severe (even if they're following the normal rules instead of just snatching you to ICE detention). Honestly, they should be getting this type of stuff everywhere they show up. I'm just saying this so that people know what the deal is if they do decide to do this. There are a lot of TikTok lawyers who think that "not even doing anything" is in the statute, but it isn't.
Triumph@fedia.io · 38 pts · 298d
To reiterate this point: Resistance may come with consequences, even if it is the right thing to do. There are many people who, for whatever reason, are unable or unwilling to shoulder the burden of those consequences, and that's okay. While it's true that they can't put all of us in prison, they can put any of us in prison. It's okay to avoid prison, especially if that means you can continue to resist in other ways.
When you decide to rise up, be aware that you're bringing family and friends along for the ride. Not only will they be affected by the consequences you experience, but you will need them more than ever. We are most certainly in this together, and unless you've had the explicit conversation with key people in your life about suffering those kinds of consequences together, and gotten a clear positive answer about that, it is perfectly sensible to back down.
To all those (not you, Phil) who complain behind keyboards that "That doesn't work" and "Always stand up to them" and "You're all cowards" - as usual, it's more complicated than that.
AlexLost@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 298d
Revolution is never painless my friends. It's going to get uglier before it could ever get better. Stay strong, fight on and keep resisting.
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 298d
Hey guy frequently taking about amateur lawyers and stating definitively what the law actually is, what are your qualifications?
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 2 pts · 298d
Look, buddy. I know a lot about the law and the various other lawerings. I'm well educated. Well versed. I know that situations like this -- agg assault wise -- they're very complex.
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 298d
So you're just another online amateur law-knower stating definitively what the law is with exactly the same qualifications as the people you're challenging and criticizing.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 5 pts · 298d
You are totally besmirching me
moncharleskey@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 298d
You've been besmirched?!
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 5 pts · 298d
I demand satisfaction
Triumph@fedia.io · 4 pts · 298d
... Filibuster.
CHOPSTEEQ@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 298d
artyom@piefed.social · 29 pts · 298d
Ah I miss the days when grabbing someone by the throat for no reason was controversial...
Jerb322@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 298d
And crotch. I'd be asking for a sexual assault modifier in my lawsuit.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 298d
I love that the source goes to a link removed by mods on reddit
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 30 pts · 298d
Sorry about that. However this is why I archive the videos of crimes that the fascists are committing onto decentralized platforms.
When I posted this about an hour ago, it was there on reddit with lots of comments and upvotes.
Fuck reddit
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 12 pts · 298d
A PeerTube instance would be good for that.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 298d
I do put stuff on peertube but more people see it on Mastodon + Lemmy
cabbage@piefed.social · 5 pts · 298d
What is your peertube channel, if you still have one? :)
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 298d
Here is my Peertube. But I haven't been posting to it recently since I realized it's just as easy to post a video directly to Mastodon.
cabbage@piefed.social · 3 pts · 298d
Thanks! I added it to ~50501@piefed.social, the 50501 feed on PieFed, so if you post something again it should pop up there. :)
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 298d
Hey cool, how did you do that?
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d
Oh no apologies needed, I was just pointing out how much of a free speech platform reddit has become since they started making deals with tech companies for AI use
Damage@feddit.it · 6 pts · 298d
What force is this supposed to be?
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 298d
Good question. That would require him to identify himself.
His vest says Police, but I doubt he is a police officer.
PhilipTheBucket@piefed.social · 4 pts · 298d
His patch says "US Border Patrol," so presumably CBP. Of course the whole thing is such a shit show that it could potentially be just a patch he slapped on there or something, but I would guess that he is CBP.
john_lemmy@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 298d
I'm scared just watching the video, I can't imagine how I would feel actually being there! Amazing seeing someone able to try to resist in that situation.
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 268d
TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 298d