Ikr? I went through long covid and all I got was a blood disease and a wheeze. They told me these horse tranquilizers would make me immune to everything!! I bought stock!!!
It's based off truly shitty MD research where they looked at a group of vaccinated nurses on the front lines and assumed they did not have a COVID infection. 2020 pulled the veil off just how bad a lot of clinical research is, and how incompetent peer review can be.
Can someone eli5, I thought they tied it to depression in the blood brain barrier, is this just looking at that in another form, or is it an Unrelated also symptom
Another comment links to an article that explains it generally. NETs and "microclots" can clump together.
One possibility first raised by physiologist Resia Pretorius of Stellenbosch University in South Africa in 2021 is microclots. These are tiny, abnormally persistent blood clots that are smaller than those seen in conditions such as stroke or thrombosis, yet large enough to hinder blood flow through capillaries.
Meanwhile, in 2022, Thierry and his colleagues showed that patients with long COVID have elevated levels of neutrophil extracellular traps, or NETs. These are sticky webs of DNA and enzymes released by white blood cells to capture and contain pathogens invading the body.
Normally, NETs do their job and then quickly break down, but when they are released in large numbers or persist longer than needed, they can contribute to blood flow problems such as thrombosis and atherosclerosis.
The new research – a collaboration between Pretorius and Thierry – suggests that these two separate markers, NETs and microclots, may interact in the blood of long COVID patients.
So a breakdown in the blood brain barrier and microclots are separate issues from what we understand at this point? Or was the first diagnosis just based on information that wasn't fully developed yet so they now have a more formulated hypothesis?
To be fair, that is a known, but extremely rare, side effect of some of the vaccines (specifically the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and the AstraZeneca vaccine that ended up being pulled from the market fairly early on). But the risk is definitely much worse with actual COVID.
Ironically, it's the mRNA vaccines that these people get super weird about that are the safest in this regard.
There was one report on the AZ vaccine, and it was not clear if the nurses had COVID, and the local media pointed out the MD who authored the report was funded by Pfizer yet did not declare it.
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tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 75 pts · 292d
TLDR; it’s not super powers
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 23 pts · 292d
DANG!
madjo@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 292d
So unfair!
tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 17 pts · 292d
Ikr? I went through long covid and all I got was a blood disease and a wheeze. They told me these horse tranquilizers would make me immune to everything!! I bought stock!!!
/s
IamSparticles@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 292d
Buzzkill.
Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io · 29 pts · 292d
Journal Article citation: https://doi.org/10.1002/jmv.70613
More in depth lay article: https://www.sciencealert.com/strange-structures-found-lurking-in-the-blood-of-people-with-long-covid
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 292d
Wait, I was told this would be the outcome for those getting the vaccine. At least as the "pure bloods" were telling it...
bstix@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 292d
It doesn't say that this came from the vaccine or even from covid.
If it were, there would probably be a lot more people with long covid.
Also, it isn't 5G autism.
CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 291d
Well, the people that all got their PhDs from Alex Jones were calling the vaccine the "clot shot" and this mentions microclots. Kind of ironic.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 290d
It's based off truly shitty MD research where they looked at a group of vaccinated nurses on the front lines and assumed they did not have a COVID infection. 2020 pulled the veil off just how bad a lot of clinical research is, and how incompetent peer review can be.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 292d
Can someone eli5, I thought they tied it to depression in the blood brain barrier, is this just looking at that in another form, or is it an Unrelated also symptom
theparadox@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 292d
Another comment links to an article that explains it generally. NETs and "microclots" can clump together.
LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 292d
So a breakdown in the blood brain barrier and microclots are separate issues from what we understand at this point? Or was the first diagnosis just based on information that wasn't fully developed yet so they now have a more formulated hypothesis?
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 6 pts · 292d
My sympathies to the victims and their loved ones, but from the outside, it’s utterly fascinating to watch this gradually get cracked.
PeacefulForest@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 291d
ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 291d
To be fair, that is a known, but extremely rare, side effect of some of the vaccines (specifically the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and the AstraZeneca vaccine that ended up being pulled from the market fairly early on). But the risk is definitely much worse with actual COVID.
Ironically, it's the mRNA vaccines that these people get super weird about that are the safest in this regard.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 290d
There was one report on the AZ vaccine, and it was not clear if the nurses had COVID, and the local media pointed out the MD who authored the report was funded by Pfizer yet did not declare it.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 290d
Yeah, but they're morons.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 291d
The idea of micrclots is not new, and led to multiple trials of blood thinners and none of them really work.