Chinese Military Ship Disguised as Civilian Vessel

A Chinese container ship (ZHONGDA 79) has been caught carrying Multiple AESA Radars, CIWS and VLS Missile cells 1x 1130 CIWS 60x VLS 4x Decoy launchers Tracker: https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:8940879

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FactChecker@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 222d (2 replies)

Model of the ship

NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 222d (1 reply)

Thought I was on NCD for a second

FactChecker@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d

I saw multiple pro-PLA people calling it a "present for Christmas for the West"

HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org · 7 pts · 222d

That's just my AliExpress order. You know how it works, you have to spend $10 to get free postage so you may as well get the whole armoury.

FactChecker@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d

Satellite image of the ship

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 222d (2 replies)

Would that not be illegal?

Zonetrooper@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 222d (1 reply)

Disclaimer, not a lawyer, etc...

In abstract, no. "Sailing under false colors" is considered a legally permissible act of deception under the laws of war, so long as the vessel clearly identifies itself as a military vessel belonging to its proper nation of origin prior to opening fire.

In practice, obviously this is a bit of the law that doesn't have a clear answer in modern, beyond-line-of-sight warfare. It worked reasonably through World War 2 (where, indeed, several nations used disguised warships for various purposes - my favorite being the time the British disguised an explosives-laden destroyer as a German warship, then rammed it into a drydock). But what would that look like in a modern scenario? Lifting a flag, even if no one can see it? A radio broadcast?

There's also the reverse side of it: That, if a nation is using warships disguised as civilian vessels, anyone fighting them would have wider defensible grounds to more aggressively engage any suspicious or uncertain vessels. This would, undoubtedly, eventually cause civilian casualties - but such is the risk (and sometimes, intent) of using a civilian disguise.

T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 222d

Fair points. That does sound reasonable, but it certainly would cause more issues

FactChecker@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 217d
NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com · -2 pts · 222d

Makes sense to deter pirates from attacking Chinese container ships.