Explanation: Karl Marx was a foundational writer in socialist theory, and effectively the father of modern sociology as well. His work is... not always riveting, as anyone who has attempted to tackle Das Kapital can tell you... but was extremely innovative and remains cutting and insightful (if imperfect) as to the nature of capitalism and its problems even today.
Lenin was the leader of the Soviet Union, the first lasting success of revolutionary socialism - though how successful (or socialist) one really wishes to count it is up for debate. His interpretation of Marxism - even when it contradicted Marx - became dominant largely because he controlled the country-sized megaphone that was the USSR - a single-party state which largely followed Lenin's dictates.
Stalin was the effective autocrat of the Soviet Union after Lenin's death. His interpretation of Marx and Lenin - even when it contradicted them - became the standard for the next ~70 years of capitalist-socialist conflict, largely because he fucking shot every socialist who disagreed with him in the Soviet Union, and attempted to sabotage every socialist who disagreed with him outside of the Soviet Union.
And also shot a bunch of people who were not socialists, and another bunch that agreed with him but had potential to replace him, or agreed with him but not strongly enough, or agreed with him but had the wrong ethnicity, or agreed with him but lived in an area where everybody agreed with him and there was a quota of being shot that wouldn't fulfil itself.
The quota thing was quite real. Central state dictated how many traitors should be shot in each area. Occasionally quotas would increase just because.
Stalin was... quite a character. I think Lenin's brutality would be remembered clearer if it wasn't for Stalin... but I also think Lenin wouldn't have reached Stalin's death toll.
Stalin was certainly two pints of crazy in a one pint glass. And he could drink his generals and high ranked ministers under the table. And did, every single night for decades, forcing them to attend, and get blackout drunk, or be suspected of plotting treason.
But Lenin, he was just getting started when he started stroking out.
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PugJesus@piefed.social · 47 pts · 241d
Explanation: Karl Marx was a foundational writer in socialist theory, and effectively the father of modern sociology as well. His work is... not always riveting, as anyone who has attempted to tackle Das Kapital can tell you... but was extremely innovative and remains cutting and insightful (if imperfect) as to the nature of capitalism and its problems even today.
Lenin was the leader of the Soviet Union, the first lasting success of revolutionary socialism - though how successful (or socialist) one really wishes to count it is up for debate. His interpretation of Marxism - even when it contradicted Marx - became dominant largely because he controlled the country-sized megaphone that was the USSR - a single-party state which largely followed Lenin's dictates.
Stalin was the effective autocrat of the Soviet Union after Lenin's death. His interpretation of Marx and Lenin - even when it contradicted them - became the standard for the next ~70 years of capitalist-socialist conflict, largely because he fucking shot every socialist who disagreed with him in the Soviet Union, and attempted to sabotage every socialist who disagreed with him outside of the Soviet Union.
trolololol@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 241d
And also shot a bunch of people who were not socialists, and another bunch that agreed with him but had potential to replace him, or agreed with him but not strongly enough, or agreed with him but had the wrong ethnicity, or agreed with him but lived in an area where everybody agreed with him and there was a quota of being shot that wouldn't fulfil itself.
The quota thing was quite real. Central state dictated how many traitors should be shot in each area. Occasionally quotas would increase just because.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 241d
Lenin had quite a few socialists shot as well.
He's the one who betrayed the revolution.
If Lenin had lived long enough, he would have likely put Stalin's death count to shame.
PugJesus@piefed.social · 8 pts · 241d
Yes to the first two, I think no to the last one.
Stalin was... quite a character. I think Lenin's brutality would be remembered clearer if it wasn't for Stalin... but I also think Lenin wouldn't have reached Stalin's death toll.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
Stalin was certainly two pints of crazy in a one pint glass. And he could drink his generals and high ranked ministers under the table. And did, every single night for decades, forcing them to attend, and get blackout drunk, or be suspected of plotting treason.
But Lenin, he was just getting started when he started stroking out.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 240d
Stalin was the OG fandom gatekeeper...
expatriado@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
the guy that kills the joke
explanation: explanations tends to kill the joke
PugJesus@piefed.social · 12 pts · 241d
This isn't a verbal delivery of a joke; it's very easy to not read an explanation.
expatriado@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 241d
my comment was a joke, but i guess i killed it with the explanation
PugJesus@piefed.social · 7 pts · 241d
. - the joke
O - me
expatriado@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 241d
glad you're not Stalin
oeuf@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 241d
I like the explanations.
expatriado@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 241d
me too
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 241d
I appreciate that they restored the likely censored "killed" in the meme. o7
PugJesus@piefed.social · 15 pts · 241d
I was feeling energetic today
janus2@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 240d
tyfys
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 241d
Lenin should be "the guy who stole the joke and reworded it to act like his own and it fell flat"
oeuf@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 241d
What would the fourth frame be if it had Putin in it?
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 241d
The guy who told a joke to a dead body as though they could hear it.
Alternatively, the guy who laughs at his own joke as he's telling it.
haui@mastodon.giftedmc.com · 1 pts · 219d
@PugJesus geile geschichtsrevisionsmemes bro
expatriado@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 241d