Members demand government rescue as German dentists’ pension fund faces €1.1bn losses
https://www.ipe.com/news/members-demand-government-rescue-as-german-dentists-pension-fund-faces-11bn-losses/10134461.article
34 points · 11 comments · view on lemmy.world
11 Comments
BigDickEnergy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 24 pts · 237d
Wut? Privatize profits, subsidize losses? No thank you.
tal@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 237d
Based on the article I linked to in another comment, it does sound like they were required by the government to contribute to that particular fund, which then managed to lose a bunch of their money, so maybe one could feel that there's maybe some level of government responsibility.
https://deutschlandinenglish.com/p/german-dental-pension-funds-face-massive-losses-in-risky-investments
That being said, I agree that if they'd made exceptional returns instead of exceptional losses, they probably wouldn't very interested in giving up their returns.
BigDickEnergy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 237d
Wow that's a crazy concept, no wonder it went bust. Sounds like easy money!
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 6 pts · 237d
No, that's not how it works here. Of course we are helping them once they reach rock bottom.
After they've sold their Porsches.
Sepia@mander.xyz · 16 pts · 237d
The dentists also filed a lawsuit against their advisors in the meantime. According to several reports in 2025, the fund made investments in private capital such as start-ups and real estate projects (including unsecured loans) amounting to around 50% of their assets. This deviates sharply form usual investment-grade guidelines imho (I used to work in this industry and think I understand this a bit). According to VZB's website (and the article) the fund's investment committee is composed exclusively of practicing dentists rather than asset management professionals. This is not a good idea imho.
gustofwind@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 237d
Half of the companies they invested in went bankrupt?
This sounds criminal
tal@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 237d
Well, half of their investment was lost.
searches
It sounds like they invested in luxury hotels, which then did not proceed to do well. Real estate investors often use leverage to crank up returns, which magnifies things upwards...but also downwards.
https://deutschlandinenglish.com/p/german-dental-pension-funds-face-massive-losses-in-risky-investments
I don't know what Element Insurance is. Searching online, I can find a trucking services company called Element in the US that spun up an insurance wing for trucks called Element Insurance Company, but that sounds like it's very new, and launched after the problematic Element Insurance went bankrupt.
looks further
No, sounds like the Element Insurance here is some German company that went bankrupt in 2024:
https://www.businessorbital.com/navigating-uncertainty-what-the-element-insurance-bankruptcy-means-for-320000-policyholders/
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 237d
HUH?!
glasratz@feddit.org · 3 pts · 237d
Dentists in Germany can't handle money. Some years ago the Bavarian dental association had to raise their membership fees because the construction of their new headquaters got too expensive.
DSN9@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 237d
Good job overweight middle manager that could have just been an index fund. They love them fee structures.
nuscheltier@feddit.org · 2 pts · 237d
Thing is, dentist have to pay into that pension fund. It is required of them. So I can understand that they want to be rescued.
I'd love the executives and managers of the fund face the losses first before the dentist have their money taken away from them. Yes they make bank most of the time but since this is mandatory they should get some security for their spending. Or it could be the perfect opportuinty to get the dentist into the main pension fund for everyone else.