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c/canadapolitics · by troyunrau@lemmy.ca · 213d

Davos LIVE: Canadian PM Mark Carney speaks at World Economic Forum

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE981Z_TaVo

"If you're not at the table, you're on the menu."

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Nils@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 213d

It is a breath of fresh air when a politician is coherent.

His speech had some lighthearted humour sprinkled here and there. You could see his face when one of them landed.

Carney did not say the words "Union", but the whole argument around countries in the middle joining forces with each other so they can negotiate rather than be coerced into unilateral agreements is the same for workers unions.

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 213d (7 replies)

A few thoughts:

  1. I haven't felt pride like that, from a Prime Minister's speech in my lifetime. Well done! One for the history books as it really met the moment.
  2. I tried to imagine what a Pierre Poilievre speech would sound like in this moment, and shuddered at the thought. Canada dodged a bullet on that one. That slime must never see power.
  3. The world needs to actively divest from US technology and financial assets. Bonds, Treasuries, Equities. This ship is sinking fast. Get out while you can.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 213d

I paid good money to help prevent PP. Boy do I feel like money well spent rn..

That said now trying to help the NDP reform and regain support and power.

troyunrau@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 213d (4 replies)

My real problem is all the US tech dependency. Gmail. Youtube. Apple Music. Amazon Web services...

Imagine if there was an executive order to turn off Google, Apple, Amazon, and Microsoft web services to Canada. How much economic damage would that cause instantly? We'd be set back a decade.

I've got a small business and we're contemplating setting up a NextCloud server to try to move off a few of these things.

Hey, at least we have lemmy.ca (and such!)

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 213d (3 replies)

Turning them off would be a mixed blessing. The US would instantly lose the revenue, we would quickly adapt alternatives, and they would lose the surveilance. Others around the world would also expedite the deAmericanizing efforts. I'm more worried of them keeping it on, keeping the revenue and slowing down our adaptations.

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 213d

Time to rip off the bandaid. plaster. Fucking US products.

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 213d (1 reply)

We aren't there yet.

If they turn that off, they're also turning off Github, npm, pypi, ghcr, docker.io, and all of your cloud storage instantly.

Every company without multiple backups is fucked. Every company that runs software will need to find new package repositories to pull from. Government clouds could get shut down. Android and iPhone will stop working without your iCloud and gmail authentication.

So, companies won't have files, won't be able to deploy code, will be clamouring for the few external clouds which are geographically located to Canada, and your phones won't work (and you don't know anyone's number). The government likely will have massive downtime as well, as will your hospital, police, fire department, etc. all running on Windows.

We need to diversity now, write your MP, describe this scenario in detail, because it will be bad, and the more desperate Trump gets, the more likely this is to happen. In the last 365 days it's gone from "not going to happen, put your tinfoil hat back on" to "well, they did it to the ICC, they just invaded Venezuela, and now they're threatening to invade us".

Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 213d

Yes. Very astute observation. Yet...

CEO of American tech companies: please murder all our business streams and income overnight. We hate money and surveilance.

Do it to everyone and they are broke overnight, do it to some, and everyone drops them with emergency expediency and they all go broke in weeks or months.

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 213d

Wow, just wow. What a speech.

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 213d (1 reply)

Countries earn the right to principled stance by reducing their vulnerability to retaliation.

Goddamn.

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 213d
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avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 213d

Harsh words were spoken. Necessary. Didn't find almost anything I disagree with.

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 213d

Could you imagine Timbit Trump up there? “Hur dur Trudeau bad [bites apple]”

avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 213d

Interesring take on the Board of Peace. Participate to influence instead of flipping the table. Perhaps he's right. That way he won't be vulnerable to "you don't support peace" and he'll be able to credibly discredit the initiative if (likely) it fails to achieve peace, having participated.

macncheese@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 213d

Ah good job Canada, you elected a level-headed leader who seems very clear-eyed and determined to see your country through this mess with integrity and honor. I wish you the best, from your worst southern neighbor.