cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/42285031
I think i understand adding a link to
/etc/apt/sources.listsoaptknows to check there for packages. What i don't understand is how to find those links.For example: i know i want xed, a plain text editor. Wikipedia tells me that's maintained by Linux Mint, but the Mint website doesn't, as far as i can tell, have a link to a repository for installing Mint-specific packages in another distro (assuming that's possible). It doesn't mention what i might want to put in sources.list.
The same is true of Cinnamon, Mate, Xfce, KDE, and Gnome. If i install Debian and it doesn't come with one of these listed in the aforementioned file (and it doesn't), i have no idea how to get packages from that repository unless i can also find a downloadable .deb file and it has no dependencies from unknown repositories, or i download the entire desktop environment i want just a few packages from.
For context: i plan to install Debian without a DE and just get what packages i want from across several DEs. This will be hard to do if there are no software sources for apt.
Is this hard to find because it's something that people who don't know what they're doing shouldn't mess with? Am i just looking in the wrong places, or for the wrong thing?
One thing i've successfully installed with apt (as opposed to a .deb package) is LibreWolf, which i used extrepo for in accordance with the instructions on their website. Should i be using that instead for packages meant for specific desktop environments?
13 Comments
savvywolf@pawb.social · 7 pts · 231d
If you're going to add Mint repos anyway, why not just use LMDE or Mint instead of Debian? It probably would avoid strange version mismatch issues.
doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 231d
Yes! Third party repositories are a good choice when they add specific software not present in the distros repo like mullvad, icewolf or (and this is approaching an edge case but I’m a big fan of it at the moment) nvidia.
Third party repositories are a really bad choice when they cause conflicts with the distros repositories like adding Ubuntu’s main branch to any Debian in order to get a specific package.
For xed, the editor you’re asking about, the git page describes Debian appropriate build instructions.
You could always just use pluma, the editor xed forked from, which is in the Debian repositories.
E: also stop planning and jump in. You’re not gonna figure anything out from analyzing and planning, just try what you want and solve the problems you come across.
IndigoGollum@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 230d
Thank you for that last bit. "Just do it" out to be the advice i needed.
doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 230d
How’s everything working out?
IndigoGollum@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 230d
Things were mostly broken (i couldn't get fluxbox to start) until i used tasksel to install Cinnamon so i could use a browser to look some stuff up (i only have one computer). I removed Cinnamon but whatever it left behind fixed my system enough that i'm now typing this in LibreWolf with not too many weird graphical issues. Some stuff doesn't work at all yet, like my laptop's function keys for things like brightness and volume.
So all in all, better than i thought this might go.
doodoo_wizard@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 230d
Congratulations!
GaumBeist@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 230d
Since you're installing Debian, presumably you've done the required reading according to their wiki, and seen the DontBreakDebian page.
If not, here's the portion I'm thinking of (emphasis mine)
I would personally add that this isn't a case of "if", but rather "when". Even if it works at the beginning, all it takes is Mint deciding they want to use a newer library when they update the package you're using, and suddenly your system won't boot and there's no clear, easy solution other than "restore from backup."
Even if you know what you're doing, I would limit tinkering to binaries managed in the $HOME/.local/bin (and any applications that work as package management for that, like
cargo,piporhomebrew) or packages that you completely control yourself (such as throughgit pulls and compiling yourself)."Stick to the official repo" is generally the advice I would give for any distro, with the exception of DIY OSes that are intended to be patchwork, like gentoo or Arch.
THAT BEING SAID: I'm not saying "don't install without a DE and piece your desired DE together from their parts." Debian has a lot of DEs, window managers, and their individual parts all in the official repos; a lot of the difference you see between the versions Debian offers and the versions Mint or Ubuntu offer are basically just theming that you can do yourself without altering the system packages.
If you absolutely must install a 3rd party repo, just understand you are sacrificing Debian's selling point of stability, and waiving your rights to hold the Debian Maintainers responsible; and when your system breaks (which might not be for many years), it will be entirely your own fault.
stuner@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 230d
Debian strongly recommends against adding repos from other distributions or other versions of Debian: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian Doing that can easily break your system. They also recommend against adding repos for specific software packages (e.g. for LibreWolf), but this is generally less problematic.
Personally, on Debian, I try to get packages in this order:
gravitas@lem.ugh.im · 5 pts · 231d
Typically the project will offer its own deb repos and packages along with setup instructions such as steam or docker
In theory you can add LMDE or other debian based distros repos to your sources but it will most likely lead to things breaking. If you cant find instructions specific to debian then you are better off either compiling from source or using snap, appimage or whatever pre-compiled option is offered officially.
bestelbus22@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 231d
I'm on mint, these are my package mirrors (based in the Netherlands):
afaik there's no public list of package mirrors
boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 231d
Careful with this!
You need to change the repo priorieties to REALLY low, otherwise your system may downgrade packages and stupid shit like that.
Trust me, I extracted PopOS repos from ubuntu noble based PopOS and installed cosmic apps on debian. It worked, until it started messing up my system.
Use nix, it is way cleaner. On Debian I basically use nix for everything because many packages are missing or outdated.
wildflower@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
https://www.debian.org/mirror/list
bestelbus22@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
I don't think these include mint specific packages like OP wanted?