Elon Musk calls Pedro Sánchez 'tyrant' over plans to ban minors from using social media
http://www.euronews.com/2026/02/04/elon-musk-calls-pedro-sanchez-tyrant-over-plans-to-ban-minors-from-using-social-media
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Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 196d
Musk wants to DM children now that he couldn't go to the epstein partys
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
Hey man which day/evening is best for me to come down for the illegal sexual activities.
Even Epstein is like "fuck that loser."
njm1314@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
Frankly I think it would be more helpful and a lot simpler to just ban the algorithms.
thatradomguy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
He's really not helping himself after coming out as pedo.
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 1 pts · 196d
just ban the whole site. it's a propaganda delivery system.
brillotti@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 196d
The ban is not about protecting children, but about control, mass surveillance and censorship.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 196d
Don't know why you are downvoting this?
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · -5 pts · 196d
The only right thing he said
Edit: I would set the minimum age at 13/14, as many other countries do. What the hell does 16 mean? You are literally preventing teenagers from organising themselves properly to go out with friends, from spending time on the bus doing nothing, etc.
Stop with this bloody alarmism about 'social media is too addictive!!!!' Instead, think about banning the stuff that is actually a problem, like doom scrolling.
curled@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 196d
How so? It's pretty much a fact now that social media use is extremely addictive and bad for children's development.
I don't know what age limit I'd set but Australia set it at 16 which most people seemed to agree with as reasonable.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · -1 pts · 196d
It is not a fact, stop feeding into the moral panic.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00127-019-01825-4?ArticleAuthorOnlineFirst_20200111%3Futm_source=modulosPL
https://mental.jmir.org/2024/1/e64626
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12356748/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12084248/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12165459/
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/13591045221092884
curled@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 196d
I agree with all of those, but they point towards adolescents, where people are gaining adulthood.
For kids under say, 14 years old, you can simply look at children in your direct vicinity and observe the impact of abundant use of things like Youtube, Roblox and others (sorry I'm not hip with it), where it is impacting their motor and cooperative skills, as well as their confidence.
Saying that the platforms used by minors are an important aspect of their social life feels incredulous to me, given that spending time together IRL is such a big factor in learning how to converse with people with differing opinions, without being shielded from them by some engagement-optimizing algorithm.
Where I live, all of that, combined with the enormous pressure social media puts on these kids to always have to take others' cameras in mind, with the ads showing them all sorts of bs, makes me feel like I wouldn't have made it out of childhood like I have done.
Of course there are positives too, as you pointed out. Having an easily accessible network of peers could be a great help with questions you'd never ask anyone in your direct vicinity. Except that no platform where kids gather is actually safe, and easily transforms into grooming platforms.
So yea, a ban is definitely a ham-fisted approach, but in my opinion, given the already sketchy situation surrounding the privacy for such an age check, I personally can't think of a better solution or middle ground to keep the positives of social media. Maybe force the platforms to abandon their current algorithms?
Sorry if it's hard to read, i tried to proofread but I'm on mobile.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 196d
Where is are your sources for this?
Why did you throw Roblox in there?
Video games have been shown with abundant evidence to benefit hand eye coordination..?
So because of your failure to imagine a solution, kids should be barred from all of it? The solution is take the money out of social media (like here) and have MORE human adult moderators in online communities who have a vested interest in clamping down on toxic people, not lock kids in a box in a way that destroys all of our freedom including theirs.
curled@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 196d
Yes, I threw Roblox in there because until just weeks ago it was primarily used as a social platform, at least by the few dozen kids I work with regularly. Cherry picking the fact that "games" increase hand-eye coordination is completely disregarding what type of game is being played, and is besides the point I was making.
As for a failure to imagine a solution, hosting a platform that
is MUCH harder than what you make it seem like, especially if we want to preserve the privacy that they deserve. Should it be run by the government for something like eID? Should it be run by a bunch of volunteers like lemmy, disregarding the age check? Neither of these sound very attractive to me.
Also, comparing "ban social media use" to "destroy our freedom" is completely unhinged imo. As I said before I do think there should be a space for kids to talk to other kids, but I just don't see a way for this to be realistically achievable online.
At the risk of sounding like an old man yelling at a cloud, this space for me was based in "real life" (not online) and here I found friends for life
Edit: funny to see you're the one downvoting me, isn't this a productive discussion?
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 196d
It isn't cherry picking, 3d games like Roblox absolutely train hand eye coordination? So do most games younger people are interested in?
curled@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 196d
Well to entertain the offtopic games point, yes it's a 3d game, but it also isn't. It completely depends on what you're actually doing inside Roblox. You can play extremely challenging parkour games, or literally just stand around in some lobby. To add onto that, it's often played on tablets and phones, where all controls are condensed into left and right thumb controls.
And even giving that point to you that yes, some games are good for development, it isn't at all related to the social media ban. I picked roblox specifically because of the chat function it has, and changed, to dodge the Australian age limit for social media.
An easier example would be discord, where, because of its more private nature, grooming has gone absolutely wild (youtube link). In these cases restricting their accounts to just DM's would already help a ton, but having nuanced solutions like that for every platform that serves minors is nearly impossible I think.
zuch0698o@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
For the same reason we don't expose children to potentially addictive substances, we should not expose them to potentially addictive social media.
Each parent should se their own rules but sometimes folks don't do that and we end up with a lot of adults who can't take care of themselves cuz no one ever showed them how
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · -1 pts · 196d
I would set the minimum age at 13/14, as many other countries do. What the hell does 16 mean? You are literally preventing teenagers from organising themselves properly to go out with friends, from spending time on the bus doing nothing, etc etc.
Stop with this bloody alarmism about 'social media is too addictive!!!!' Instead, think about banning the stuff that is actually a problem, like doom scrolling
I gotta add this to the original comment so everyone can read also, i'd reply better but another user did the work for me and i agree with them
curled@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 196d
Idk about 16 and never added my opinion about it as I'm no expert on any of this, I just read the occasional study here and there.
Banning infinite scroll is an interesting idea that I hadn't heard before and feels like it would help with the addictiveness, but it wouldn't help for platforms like discord where grooming is a rampant problem.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 196d
You know what would help stopping discoes grooming?
Discord has shit ass moderation and they don't touch servers that have a lot of boosts because they bring money, so they overlook groomer servers
curled@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 196d
Ah please, it's just a specifically egregiously example that I'm guessing most fediverse users would know about. The problem is hardly limited to discord, you can find similar activity on Instagram for example.
Yes, but also the kids who are being groomed are more often than not already in a vulnerable situation. Given that you are indeed familiar with the discord situation I don't need to explain this any further I hope.
I'm not sure I'm following, awareness by who? Kids who want attention? Groomers looking for kids to manipulate? The absent parents?
Might help, but how do you enforce a moderator? Just look at R*ddit where spez himself moderated a jailbait sub.
Now this here I'll agree would help, but it still doesn't prevent those who are actively grooming from getting what they want.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 196d
I mean spreading awareness about the topic, sorry but i was writing it while sleepy and used a translator to find the word i needed, sadly the translator got it wrong
It can be easly improved, right now discord staff do little to nothing (at least in my exp) when you report someone, it was rare the case where i have seen profiles disappear :/
It would help by a lot, a good chunk of the grooming is done in servers that aren't touched because they got 30+ boosts and discord sees it and say "ya get me money, ya safe!" Usually those are also discord server based off roblox communities, what a combination...
Honytawk@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 196d
They can organize themselves over chat. They don't need social media with its algorithms that were specifically designed to prey on human minds.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 196d
Wasn't it about every social? So social networks like discord count too