Eh, it will still affect you somewhat, just less directly.
You can still go to the grocery store just fine ... but the truck that brought deliveries to the grocery store so you could buy them? It ran on diesel. As did the truck that delivered the food from the packing plant to the distribution center. As did the truck that delivered the food from the farm to the packing plant. As did all the tractors and other heavy equipment used on that farm. And if they all have to pay more for fuel, your groceries are going to get more expensive. If shortages get so bad that they can't even get fuel, then you might be seeing a lot of empty shelves at the grocery store.
It's nice to have personal independence from fossil fuels, but it's an unfortunate fact that our society and economy as a whole are still very dependent upon fossil fuels.
Yes, but the economies of scale of cargo transport generally mean that the percentage of the total cost attributable to fuel cost is usually pretty small.
Take bananas, for example. If they cost $0.70 per pound at the store, how much fuel could have been used getting a pound of bananas from the plantation to the port, shipped from that port to a port in the United States, then from that port to a distribution center, then to the store? So what would doubling the price of fuel do for the price of bananas?
With more expensive items, shipping (and therefore fuel) is an even lower percentage of the total input costs.
The price of goods will go up with the price of fuel, but not as much as a lot of people seem to assume.
Fuck no. The US sucks ass. I'm just pointing out a fact: The reason the US has so many gas plants is a strategic and business decision. We'll likely pay higher prices for electricity but we're not going to run out of gas for them.
Fair enough. The shithole I'm located in relies on coal for the most part, because why wouldn't it. There is quite a bit of renewable energy that was setup before the current administration chopped the incentives, though.
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OwOarchist@pawb.social · 76 pts · 171d
Eh, it will still affect you somewhat, just less directly.
You can still go to the grocery store just fine ... but the truck that brought deliveries to the grocery store so you could buy them? It ran on diesel. As did the truck that delivered the food from the packing plant to the distribution center. As did the truck that delivered the food from the farm to the packing plant. As did all the tractors and other heavy equipment used on that farm. And if they all have to pay more for fuel, your groceries are going to get more expensive. If shortages get so bad that they can't even get fuel, then you might be seeing a lot of empty shelves at the grocery store.
It's nice to have personal independence from fossil fuels, but it's an unfortunate fact that our society and economy as a whole are still very dependent upon fossil fuels.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 18 pts · 171d
and then they should be saying, can we get electric trucks so we can avoid this? and the answer is:
https://www.trucksales.com.au/editorial/details/electric-truck-guide-whats-available-in-australia-150315/
https://www.volvotrucks.com/en-en/news-stories/press-releases/2025/may/volvo-receives-order-for-30-electric-trucks-in-australia-and-ann.html
looks like a yes to me
Micromot@piefed.social · 13 pts · 171d
And the big routes are and can mostly be done by rail, which is very efficient and can be electrified easier than trucks
evenglow@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 171d
Don't forget. Solar and batteries are the cheapest way to make energy.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 171d
Rally brings the point home just how precarious it is to be so strongly dependent on fossil fuels
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 171d
It's better to own the libs than to have resource security, though.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 169d
booly@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 171d
Yes, but the economies of scale of cargo transport generally mean that the percentage of the total cost attributable to fuel cost is usually pretty small.
Take bananas, for example. If they cost $0.70 per pound at the store, how much fuel could have been used getting a pound of bananas from the plantation to the port, shipped from that port to a port in the United States, then from that port to a distribution center, then to the store? So what would doubling the price of fuel do for the price of bananas?
With more expensive items, shipping (and therefore fuel) is an even lower percentage of the total input costs.
The price of goods will go up with the price of fuel, but not as much as a lot of people seem to assume.
BC_viper@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 171d
How are those gas power plants going america? Laughs in B.C with full renewable power.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 171d
The US is a net gas exporter so those plants are working just fine.
Subdivide6857@midwest.social · 8 pts · 171d
You sound proud. The US is a shit stain.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 171d
Fuck no. The US sucks ass. I'm just pointing out a fact: The reason the US has so many gas plants is a strategic and business decision. We'll likely pay higher prices for electricity but we're not going to run out of gas for them.
Subdivide6857@midwest.social · 2 pts · 171d
Fair enough. The shithole I'm located in relies on coal for the most part, because why wouldn't it. There is quite a bit of renewable energy that was setup before the current administration chopped the incentives, though.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d
Our problems are the same but inflected differently.
evenglow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 171d
China exports billions more of green tech than USA exports fossil fuels.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 171d
Yes but it's not like they're going to run out of gas. That's why they built so many of them.
evenglow@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
People aren't worried about running out of gas. They are worried about running out of money.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
The UK only has a couple days of reserve gas
evenglow@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 169d
And some people aren't worried about either. They just got bombed to death.
If there is no money to buy something then it doesn't matter if it's available or not.
BC_viper@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 171d
Sure bud
Cort@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 171d
It's been a net exporter for a decade due to all the fracking. Though they import like 10% of what's used from Canada, they export double that as LNG.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 171d
My diesel emergency storage canisters are ripe for rotation anyway
rabber@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 171d
EV owners are simple folk