Western/Northern European conservatives are broadly similar to American conservatives, i.e. moderate Democrats, though European conservatives tend to support a much stronger welfare state (e.g., generally supporting universal health care and minimum income guarantees). It's just that for various historical reasons, in the US ideological conservatives are called "liberal" and ideological fascists are called "conservative." Fascism is popular in Europe as well, and they tend to oppose the EU.
The Tory leadership, at the time of the referendum, was against Brexit. Sure, there was a Tory faction in favour, and the referendum was partially aimed at placating them (in addition to some other goals, which also spectacularly backfired), but Cameron and his ilk certainly didn't want the referendum to go the way it did.
I mean I would differentiate between Center-Right and Alt-Right. Many traditional conservative parties stand in large behind the EU and the European project in general
If the EU and Iceland figure out how to solve the remaining disagreements, like the fishing policy, then it's very likely almost all objections Norwegian people had will also be gone.
It makes sense, same with Iceland. By participating in the EEA, Council of Europe, Schengen etc, they effectively are already beholden to most EU policies but without a seat at the policymaking table.
Same with Switzerland. I recently learned they had a public vote in 1993 with 0.3 % margin result no. Through three integration agreements they're more integrated than ever anyway.
Having 1-2% of the votes in the European parliament is not worth giving up complete control over fisheries and monetary policy, in my opinion. They’d probably meddle with how Norway manages its natural resources, too.
21 Comments
fox2263@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 185d
A conservative saying it. Interesting. I thought conservatives everywhere had been corrupted to disparage unity
Hapankaali@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 185d
Western/Northern European conservatives are broadly similar to American conservatives, i.e. moderate Democrats, though European conservatives tend to support a much stronger welfare state (e.g., generally supporting universal health care and minimum income guarantees). It's just that for various historical reasons, in the US ideological conservatives are called "liberal" and ideological fascists are called "conservative." Fascism is popular in Europe as well, and they tend to oppose the EU.
fox2263@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 185d
Yes well our Conservatives (UK) went all in on brexit
Hapankaali@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d
The Tory leadership, at the time of the referendum, was against Brexit. Sure, there was a Tory faction in favour, and the referendum was partially aimed at placating them (in addition to some other goals, which also spectacularly backfired), but Cameron and his ilk certainly didn't want the referendum to go the way it did.
fox2263@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
Oh yeah sure. Then they all departed and left the sinking ship to the B team. Then the C team. And then the D team.
Hapankaali@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
And now they're readying the reins for the 卐 team.
Griffus@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 185d
We have those as well, but they are the parties to the right of the conservatives.
timestatic@feddit.org · 5 pts · 185d
I mean I would differentiate between Center-Right and Alt-Right. Many traditional conservative parties stand in large behind the EU and the European project in general
Cassa@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 185d
høyre, is more of a industry and economy interest party. they are business conservative.
it's the party that lead the yes to eu movement last two times 🤷
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 33 pts · 185d
If the EU and Iceland figure out how to solve the remaining disagreements, like the fishing policy, then it's very likely almost all objections Norwegian people had will also be gone.
thesdev@feddit.org · 3 pts · 185d
I thought not wanting to share the oil money was the main problem?
vodka@feddit.org · 2 pts · 184d
The way our oil industry is setup is very much not compatible with eu laws (or even EEA)
There's huge subsidies and huge taxes, and at least the subsidies are basically entirely illegal in the EU.
Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 185d
This.
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 26 pts · 185d
Democratic apes together strong 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
Pip@feddit.org · 1 pts · 185d
Lol
voidemu@feddit.org · 18 pts · 185d
Fuck Politico and ever Axel Springer outlet. They are right-wing propaganda
Buffalox@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 184d
At least it's not Murdoch or Ellison.
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 184d
I want to thank President Donald Trump for making EU enlargement ever more attractive.
sparky@lemmy.federate.cc · 7 pts · 184d
It makes sense, same with Iceland. By participating in the EEA, Council of Europe, Schengen etc, they effectively are already beholden to most EU policies but without a seat at the policymaking table.
Kissaki@feddit.org · 4 pts · 184d
Same with Switzerland. I recently learned they had a public vote in 1993 with 0.3 % margin result no. Through three integration agreements they're more integrated than ever anyway.
Bob@feddit.org · -1 pts · 184d
Having 1-2% of the votes in the European parliament is not worth giving up complete control over fisheries and monetary policy, in my opinion. They’d probably meddle with how Norway manages its natural resources, too.