Forcing a person to experience gender dysphoria would qualify as a evil act in my book. You'd be directly lowering someone's quality of life with no benefit to yourself, it's absurdly anti-social behavior.
people who aren't strongly connected to their gender or sex exist, so i'd hypothesize feminizing someone like that without consent might not be unwelcome.
yeah, in the case of Turing he was forced to take estrogen (which was called "chemical castration" because the estrogen usually eliminates fertility)
in the case of Reimer, they accidentally cut off his penis during a circumcision, so they surgically gave him a vulva and then raised him as a girl and gave him estrogen.
basically both were cases of cis men who were feminized by force
(I guess the direct comparison to the sword's evil effect was the way these men were forced to take estrogen.)
Forced feminization of men is evil whether those men are cis or trans.
Its not a direct comparison. A direct comparison would be you have Sailor powers but you don't like that it makes you a pretty girl while its active, since you can just not wield the sword. What you describe is just inhumane torture.
yes, I think the "forced feminization" fantasy is something trans women engage in because they're women and living as a man is the inhumane torture you mentioned
but you mentioned the sword should be evil and thus only be able to be wielded by transmasc individuals, which started this whole discussion
my point is that it doesn't matter whether the man is cis or trans for them to be tortured by feminization, and so the sword's evil condition should really only allow it to be wielded by men (whether cis or trans). There's nothing special about trans men that makes them uniquely tortured by feminization, all men are that way.
Perhaps the psychological struggle to accept that men don't like feminization is due to the common denialism that trans women experience with accepting they really are women and not men?
either way, yes - I think it's a good suggestion that the sword only be wielded by men to make it evil
(though, that sorta defeats the point of the transfem fantasy here, lol)
23 Comments
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 24 pts · 171d
Its evil because it can only be wielded by a true transmasc.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 171d
or, like, a cis man - just ... any man, really
Estiar@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 170d
I know a few agender guys who would be fine with that
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · -1 pts · 171d
But is it evil to feminize a cis man? I dont think so.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 171d
Forcing a person to experience gender dysphoria would qualify as a evil act in my book. You'd be directly lowering someone's quality of life with no benefit to yourself, it's absurdly anti-social behavior.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 10 pts · 171d
Forced feminization and feminization are two different things, it all depends on consent.
Zorque@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 171d
So youre saying feminization without consent isnt necessarily forced?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 170d
people who aren't strongly connected to their gender or sex exist, so i'd hypothesize feminizing someone like that without consent might not be unwelcome.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 170d
Are you part of the GOP? Cause that is a wild spin
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 171d
yes, it is very evil - see Alan Turing and David Reimer.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · -3 pts · 171d
Castrating == feminizing. Holy shit.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 171d
yeah, in the case of Turing he was forced to take estrogen (which was called "chemical castration" because the estrogen usually eliminates fertility)
in the case of Reimer, they accidentally cut off his penis during a circumcision, so they surgically gave him a vulva and then raised him as a girl and gave him estrogen.
basically both were cases of cis men who were feminized by force
(I guess the direct comparison to the sword's evil effect was the way these men were forced to take estrogen.)
Forced feminization of men is evil whether those men are cis or trans.
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 171d
Its not a direct comparison. A direct comparison would be you have Sailor powers but you don't like that it makes you a pretty girl while its active, since you can just not wield the sword. What you describe is just inhumane torture.
dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 171d
yes, I think the "forced feminization" fantasy is something trans women engage in because they're women and living as a man is the inhumane torture you mentioned
but you mentioned the sword should be evil and thus only be able to be wielded by transmasc individuals, which started this whole discussion
my point is that it doesn't matter whether the man is cis or trans for them to be tortured by feminization, and so the sword's evil condition should really only allow it to be wielded by men (whether cis or trans). There's nothing special about trans men that makes them uniquely tortured by feminization, all men are that way.
Perhaps the psychological struggle to accept that men don't like feminization is due to the common denialism that trans women experience with accepting they really are women and not men?
either way, yes - I think it's a good suggestion that the sword only be wielded by men to make it evil
(though, that sorta defeats the point of the transfem fantasy here, lol)
AzuraTheSpellkissed@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 171d
I wouldn't mind a non-evil version 😇
Hoimo@ani.social · 5 pts · 171d
Reminds me of Kore wa Zombie desu ka? when Ayumu picks up Mystletainn
underscores@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 170d
peak.
Fedi-bitch@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 171d
Enter SCP 6113
TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 170d
Another gender changing scp?