So, hundreds of millions, perhaps a few billion pawns die, governments collapse, new technofascist governments rise, or...
The global South, Eastern Bloc somehow pulls off saving whatever remains and the board is reset? Is that how this plays out?
These are certainly interesting times. ¡Viva la Revolución!
Crosspost from https://lemmygrad.ml/post/11435977
57 Comments
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 125d
I mean, russia is actively invading a neighbour, and has a track record of stirring shit in Europe
Maeve@kbin.earth · -27 pts · 125d
Russia is defending Russian lives from literal Nazis. "Stirring shit” means defending their interests. The liberal lying propaganda is falling apart, we're on the brink of a nuclear WW3 and you're cheering for the
fascistsBusiness Plot techfash bros to rule whatever remains. 🤓🙄Your treats and nukelicking won't save you.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 125d
Russia invaded Ukraine. So many people have died as a result, both Ukrainians and Russians. There is no way to spin this as anything other than a horrific and evil move by Putin to attempt expansionism, and the weakness of the Russian people not to stop him.
And it could stop. Today. All it takes is for Russia to withdraw. To stop trying to kill Ukrainians.
Ukraine cannot stop defending itself or it will be genocided.
Russia is hurting badly over its own stupid actions. It needs to reverse course and suck up the embarrassment.
Maeve@kbin.earth · -20 pts · 125d
Russia is defending Russian lives from being genocided by literal Nazis. Full stop.
Korne127@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 125d
Russian soldiers are the literal Nazis. Full stop.
Fuck off with your disgusting propaganda.
Maeve@kbin.earth · -11 pts · 125d
It's the truth. Mr. Down and I are having a more realistic conversation than this reactionary shit. And in the end, probably won't agree. But we're having the conversation.
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 125d
They put Bandera on a stamp, and even have streets and monuments for him.
Maeve@kbin.earth · -1 pts · 125d
Yep. Those monuments also exist in other Western states. States that claim not to be fascist or expansionist, then clearly go on expansion adventures, personally or by proxy.
This whole thread is very bizarre, from moving of goalposts, to denying verifiable history, to outright rewriting history, and outright slander and liable, when there's plenty of verifiable history to use as criticism. Very clearly, we're living in Idiocracy, with more malice aforethought.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 125d
That's literally not the truth though. Russia is actively trying to genocide Ukrainians though. Let me know when Ukraine invades russian land, and steals kids and destroys schools and hospitals.
Maeve@kbin.earth · -16 pts · 125d
It literally is the truth and whitewashing/hiding Azov changed nothing. Even Western media was reporting about it until Ukraine was co-opped as another proxy state for another proxy war. But instead of going looking, you double, triple, quadruple down on lying propaganda. It makes me wonder what's in it for you.
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 125d
Its literally not the truth, this pre-emptive shit youre peddling is the same tactics Israel is using to excuse their genocide in Palestine
mrdown@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 125d
Why did it wait for 2021 to fight the neo nazis? Why Putin talks about ukranian identity not existing claiming they are simply Russian? Why Putin keep talking about shared identity with Israel the worst type of nazis today?
Maeve@kbin.earth · -12 pts · 125d
You know where to find that information and you know no one is claiming Putin has pure intentions.
Edit: here, if anyone can be bothered not to kneejerk reject:
https://spetsnaz007.substack.com/p/the-donbass-war-explained
mrdown@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 125d
You can find information's about everything and it's opposite. Nothing in the article show that Ukraine was going to attack Russia , there was no eminent threat. As long as the nazis in Ukraine threat stay in Ukraine then it is an Ukrainian problem not a Russian one
Maeve@kbin.earth · -9 pts · 125d
You know better. Those are Russians who consider themselves Russian, who wanted to sacrifice neither their land nor lives. It's neither good nor honest to accept CIA lying propaganda only when it's convenient and dismiss the truth when it's not. It's a bitter pill to swallow, especially when our personal feelings are involved. Until we acknowledge that and grapple with it, we are serving masters who use those feelings and deliberate refusal to accept the truth as the pipe that plays the sweet music, leading us to our own demise, as they amass more wealth and more control. Look around you, my friend.
mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 125d
So why do you believe his excuses he used to justify the invasion of Ukraine? Starting a war require concrete eminent threat no future threats . Russia is using the same bullshit excuses as the terrorist state of Israel
Maeve@kbin.earth · -2 pts · 124d
The Nazis were trying to kill the Russians and take their land. The Russians asked Russia for help. What was Putin to do, leave then for slaughter?
Maeve@kbin.earth · -12 pts · 125d
Post edited. You still know where to find the information.
Maeve@kbin.earth · -12 pts · 125d
https://lemmygrad.ml/post/684878/418653
socsa@piefed.social · 12 pts · 125d
Bro you need less boot in your diet, try some quinoa.
Maeve@kbin.earth · -9 pts · 125d
Said without a hint of irony. Interestingly, the two of us interested in having an honest conversation are responding with verifiable facts, rather than resulting to insults. That pretty much speaks for itself.
Korne127@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 125d
Holy fucking shit. I hope that you are (like many others) just a bot because the thought of real people being that stupid is depressing
TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 125d
Might be helpful if people knew about Stepan Bandera, the OUN, and their legacy today.
Vinylraupe@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 125d