Basically how every Bolshevik inspired "democracy" works too, not just Korea. Including Cuba which leftists bizarrely love to pretend is somehow better.
Eh.... I don't think the Democratic process can be measured in a binary pass or fail. There are definitely degrees of Democratic process, and I think the claim that Cuba and North Korea are virtually the same is a pretty large conflation.
Cuba at least has local elections which are vetted by the party. Meanwhile North Korea has single candidate elections that are pre-approved by the party.
If we're just throwing nuance out the window, I'm not really sure if a country like America would really pass the "true democracy" test.
In Cuba there are actual local elections between members of the local community. Those competing must be in good standing with the party, but that's fairly standard.
In N Korea the party selects the candidate and they run unopposed.
Interesting. But requiring being in good standing with the party is already enough to make these elections illegitimate. And given the lack of dissent allowed and the subservient position local officials typically have to national leaders this seems like a very small difference to me.
Interesting. But requiring being in good standing with the party is already enough to make these elections illegitimate.
There are plenty of political parties across the world that require candidates to be in good standing with the party before running for them in an election.
It's not like any political party is going to be happy if an infamous person is representing them in an election.
If anything your grievance should be with single party democracies. Then again, there are plenty of single party states that aren't criticized anywhere close to Cuba.
Like I said, democracies need to be weighed on a scale. Plus, simply being a democracy doesn't necessarily mean a country is going to be a more equitable or virtuous society.
What's the difference between vetted and pre-approved?
The difference is one election has more than one candidate to choose from and the election must be vetted by the state, and one election has just one candidate whom the state has already selected, and your vote doesn't matter because the winner has already been decided.
North Korea has local elections and the candidates, plural, have to live in the community they're running to oversee.
Wasn't the dual-candidate selection method only introduced in selected localities in like the last year or so? I'm pretty sure the SPA is still a single candidate selection as well.
It's very clearly modeled after the government of the USSR, which was created by the Bolsheviks. I've seriously never heard anyone claim otherwise so maybe you can elaborate on whatever the hell you are talking about.
lol. Go check how cuba legalized same sex marriages in 2022, read about it in detail. Thats how policy changes are made there, thats real democracy, not 99% hitler vs 100% hitler that happens in amrikkka
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LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 108d
Basically how every Bolshevik inspired "democracy" works too, not just Korea. Including Cuba which leftists bizarrely love to pretend is somehow better.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 108d
Not better than cuba under Batista or not better than North Korea? I think either claim would be kinda dubious......
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · -4 pts · 108d
In terms of democracy they're all about equal. Essentially none.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 108d
Eh.... I don't think the Democratic process can be measured in a binary pass or fail. There are definitely degrees of Democratic process, and I think the claim that Cuba and North Korea are virtually the same is a pretty large conflation.
Cuba at least has local elections which are vetted by the party. Meanwhile North Korea has single candidate elections that are pre-approved by the party.
If we're just throwing nuance out the window, I'm not really sure if a country like America would really pass the "true democracy" test.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 108d
What's the difference between vetted and pre-approved?
I would also fail the US, true.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 108d
In Cuba there are actual local elections between members of the local community. Those competing must be in good standing with the party, but that's fairly standard.
In N Korea the party selects the candidate and they run unopposed.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 108d
Interesting. But requiring being in good standing with the party is already enough to make these elections illegitimate. And given the lack of dissent allowed and the subservient position local officials typically have to national leaders this seems like a very small difference to me.
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 108d
There are plenty of political parties across the world that require candidates to be in good standing with the party before running for them in an election.
It's not like any political party is going to be happy if an infamous person is representing them in an election.
If anything your grievance should be with single party democracies. Then again, there are plenty of single party states that aren't criticized anywhere close to Cuba.
Like I said, democracies need to be weighed on a scale. Plus, simply being a democracy doesn't necessarily mean a country is going to be a more equitable or virtuous society.
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 108d
The difference is one election has more than one candidate to choose from and the election must be vetted by the state, and one election has just one candidate whom the state has already selected, and your vote doesn't matter because the winner has already been decided.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 108d
My understanding was that Cuba also only had single candidate "elections", chosen by the party. You're saying that's not correct?
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 108d
I don't know if that's the case, I was just clarifying the notions put forth by the user you were replying to.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 108d
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 108d
TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 108d
Wasn't the dual-candidate selection method only introduced in selected localities in like the last year or so? I'm pretty sure the SPA is still a single candidate selection as well.
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 108d
How is Cuba a Bolshevik inspired democracy? The fact that you even claim this indicates you don't know what the Bolshevik approach was.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 108d
It's very clearly modeled after the government of the USSR, which was created by the Bolsheviks. I've seriously never heard anyone claim otherwise so maybe you can elaborate on whatever the hell you are talking about.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 104d
Cuba is 100% more democratic than america lmfao, go study a bit about its system
Also the bolshevik inspired democracy is called leninism and I will choose it over liberal democracy anyday. Its just better.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 104d
Total nonsense.
Tolc@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 104d
lol. Go check how cuba legalized same sex marriages in 2022, read about it in detail. Thats how policy changes are made there, thats real democracy, not 99% hitler vs 100% hitler that happens in amrikkka
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 104d
Feel free to link something.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 108d
All power to the worker's councils