“Steel, concrete, and code”: Feds and Telus announce three AI data centres in BC | BetaKit
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24 Comments
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 121d
What??? I was thinking that they’d stick such a thing somewhere like Castlegar, where there’s already power generation and no potential for water and energy shortages, plus a community benefit for the added jobs.
Sticking it in the most expensive real estate in BC, where there’s already water rationing and a heavy drain on power generation?
I fail to see ANY upsides.
otter@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 121d
It's a weird choice for sure
AGM@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 121d
Putting one downtown between the stadium and the new art gallery is a weird enough choice already, but putting one in a residential area like Mount Pleasant seems crazy.
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 118d
Added jobs? What jobs? Data centers have the lowest staff demands of any industrial sites.
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 121d
Fuck this.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 121d
Look, we do need data centres in Canada. I'm tried of only being able to rent servers in the US or Europe. We have a couple, but not enough to meet the demand needed to drop Azure, AWS, and Google Cloud.
However, this is a stupid choice. There are a fuckton of places in Canada with abundant resources/water, lowish population density, and educated people. Pick one of those.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 120d
NIMBY
BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 119d
I think NIMBYism is ok in some situations. I don't want an airport in my backyard, or a coal powerplant.
Personally I don't care if there is a DC near me, but I fully support people's right to not want it.
lukecyca@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 120d
This wording has to be a mistake. Datacentres don’t generate power. They consume it.
CanadianCorhen@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 120d
bookmeat@fedinsfw.app · 12 pts · 121d
BC has been net buying energy from the USA the last 3-4 years. Expectation is that drought from climate change will crater hydro production in the coming years. BC Hydro is already in low key panic about energy in the province. Second or third call to power in as many years. So the government approves $9B data centers to create 500 jobs instead of funding schools, healthcare, and transportation infrastructure. FFS.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 119d
I checked the data from here in case you're interested. These are the US intertie flow numbers but they have Alberta numbers that are similar.
I do worry about the droughts predicted over the next decade, hopefully we can find suitable places to build wind/solar and build there.
bookmeat@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 119d
I think the BC government is trying to encourage residential solar, like in California, but it should be better publicised or maybe the incentive is still too small, imo.
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 118d
It most certainly is not.
Both Fortis and HydroBC actively discourage ppl from requesting grid-tie meters.
bookmeat@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 118d
They do? By what means?
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 118d
To add solar to an existing building, I need to convert my meter to a bi-directional one so that during low-demand, high-sun times, I can feed back energy into the grid and be compensated for it.
Both Fortis BC and BC Hydro put up administrative barriers to this in the form of filling out a proposal, including what gear you are installing, who is installing it, etc before they "approve" the meter. They will then charge you for the replacement, a few grand.
bookmeat@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 118d
What would you propose as an alternative?
non_burglar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 118d
Go off-grid, I suppose? What kind of question is this?
Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 118d
Update: Higher snowpack in the north means BC expects to export more power than it imports this year.
wampus@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 120d
Meh, I don't trust telus for anything 'canadian' anymore. Email with Telus! .... oh, it's google / microsoft. VoIP with Telus! .... oh, it's RingCentral.
These datacenters will somehow just be a thin veneer for a US outsourced arrangement, with Telus functioning as a Canadian frontman.
BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 119d
I trust telus to not give a shit about canadians
rekabis@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 121d
The interior is facing one of the worst summers in decades. Hot, dry weather and water restrictions everywhere. Not entirely sure hyper-thirsty data centres are such a good idea unless their cooling systems are mostly closed.
GuyIncognito@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 119d
once the chatbots evolve into skynet, they'll invent magical technologies that solve all of our problems for us
BillyTheKid2@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 119d
All jokes aside, nobody actually thinks chatbots will achieve sentience.
The most established engineers working on "AI" (I use this term because it's a common term, not because I support the term in this context) believe a combination of models - especially world models - will be what eventually achieves some semblance of sentience.
Even Anthropic, the Claude people, don't think LLMs will achieve sentience. They say they think LLMs are the path to machine sentience, which is a different thing.
But regardless, I believe von neumann architecture is insufficient to achieve sentience. I have no data to back up this belief.