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LaRocque said the decision is baffling, citing concerns over rising electricity demand, massive water consumption and air pollution linked to AI data centres.
“Vancouver is in the middle of a housing crisis and water shortage,” he said. “These centres will use more heat and water — it seems counterintuitive to me.”
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sixpaque@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 89d
One reader wrote: The electricity demand, (WATER CONSUMPTION) and air pollution are generally not valid concerns. I, however, disagree. There was an article showing how much water they actually use for cooling per day, and it was astounding. For some reason, the article is no longer available for public viewing, or I would've shared the link. My simple desktop computer gets warm from use, my phone gets hot when it's doing too much thinking. Simple comparison, but the same and BIGGER.
wampus@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 89d
We already have a bunch of data centers in Vancouver. The electricity demand, water consumption and air pollution are generally not valid concerns -- the current set rarely, if ever, use their diesel generators. Most of those are things like Tier1 data centers, where anyone can go in and buy rackspace to mount servers -- a bunch of local companies use them, if they want more 'sovereign' network stacks while still having the hefty physical security controls. Having "No" datacenters at all, means putting all your data into US Cloud service providers (at the moment at least, for the most part). I doubt "AI" datacenters are all that different than regular datacenters, unless someone knows different and can clue me in? I'm fairly sure the push to build more "Canadian company owned" datacenters is part of trying to build more 'sovereign' tech stacks in Canada, though it's a bizarre step since DCs have existed for a long time in Canada -- it's the software that's the bigger issue in general.
The better arguments, I'd say, are that the Job creation estimates look misleading, and that the real estate cost in Vancouver makes it a silly location for multiple new projects of this sort. In terms of job creation, the current data centers in Vancouver do not have a ton of staff at all -- they're generally built like mini-fortresses, with K-Rated fences (enough to stop a semi-truck goin like 100km/h), biometric entry points, mantraps, tons of physical security features.... but in terms of actual staff, there's like maybe 10-30 per site. There are security guards that're on site 24/7, though it's usually a relatively small team supported by cameras etc, working out of one primary security office near the main entry point. There are electricians/sparkies, but they usually work at numerous sites since you don't have constant demand for 'new' installations. There're a couple manager sorts to meet potential clients and do general overhead junk, and a couple to provide 'remote hands' troubleshooting if customers need it. Pretending like you're going to create 525 permanent jobs is a generous estimate -- it's also a piddly number for the investment of public money.
Datacenters are also typically just space/power, with companies needing to install their own compute hardware. Access to those systems is virtual, with the specific physical location not meaning much. Assuming most major cities in BC have decent power availability, and decent telecommunications infrastructure, it makes more sense to build these things in other communities with lower land cost. Even just pushing the vancouver DC's out towards the valley, or up the coast a ways, would make more sense.
brianpeiris@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 89d
https://www.techradar.com/pro/security/i-sat-down-with-two-cooling-experts-to-find-out-what-ais-biggest-problem-is-in-the-data-center
wampus@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 89d
Hm, interesting -- though them requiring specific server setups to take advantage of the water-based cooling systems in the datacenter makes me pause a bit. I've seen what I imagine are those sorts of rigs at the DC I use for work, typically in segregated areas of the datacenter. Building a DC with that capability though, doesn't necessarily equate to having customers to fill the racks.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · -16 pts · 90d
Air pollution's a new one, how do AI data centers generate air pollution?
Shadow@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 90d
If they can't get enough grid power, they rely on onsite generators.
XLE@piefed.social · 7 pts · 89d
Facedeer is a well-known AI evangelist troll. He only asks to waste time.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · -7 pts · 89d
Well-known to you, perhaps, given you follow me around and obsess about me.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · -5 pts · 90d
Are these, though? The article had no details.
brianpeiris@lemmy.ca · 23 pts · 90d
There are no details because the companies won't share them, and the government won't ask for them until after they are built.
https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2026/05/18/Vancouver-Getting-AI-Data-Centres/
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 90d
The power goes out in downtown Vancouver about as often as I visit, which is to say once every handful of years. Any sort of diesel generator usage on that scale is not even worth mentioning in terms of air pollution while cars are still allowed in the city core.
BC doesn't have strained electrical grids in cities, this ain't Texas.
BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca · -4 pts · 90d
In BC, absolutely not. They will be powered by BC Hydro just like everything else. This is simply just a bunch of Fear Mongering.