In some heavy Muslim countries women seems always to wear a black hijab and get in trouble for not wearing one. Why don't they wear colorful ones or with slogans? Is black all to wear?
Just read through the article, Hudud appears to refer to a very specific range of crimes/offenses as laid out by the Qur'an, none of which include wearing a colorful hijab
There are certainly reasons women wouldn't want to stand out, but I don't think this is one of them lil goat
Different cultures and different religious traditions have different norms, that’s the main thing. Giant religions, especially relatively decentralized ones are not a monolith.
In the Gulf states the all-black style is more common for locals, Saudi is massive so it’s different in some areas, here in Lebanon you have many sects and the all-black is more associated with fundamentalist Shia Islam, and so on. Most women who wear headscarves are wearing colorful ones.
As a little kid when we still had a bit more tourists coming from Kuwait and the UAE, I would see some women in Niqabs (full face cover) and metal face plates, which would freak me out. Those are not a thing here.
I think most Americans think all of these are one blob, and use “burka” as a catch-all. And that one is only a thing in super fundamentalist societies in places like Afghanistan, not something common at all. It would be like me assuming all Americans live like the FLDS.
The point of the hijab is effectively to not draw extra attention to yourself. Colors and patterns are pretty common in less strict countries though.
Slogans and logos are kind of problematic for somewhat similar reasons but companies like Adidas have been trying real hard for years to make it work. There's also a drive that Islamic things specifically should not follow western ideals, and that could be the most western thing we've ever done.
Every culture interprets modesty differently. Many muslim cultures don't have hijabs but have other hair coverings similar to the ones Christians and Jewish women are required to wear.
There can be local differences in the dress code as long as it's considered modest in the local culture (عُرْف, ie. convention or norm) and it does not show what has to be covered as part of a woman's عَوْرَة (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimate_parts_in_Islam).
So in some areas it is socially acceptable to have colours while in others the norm is all black.
If you're living in one of those very conservative on women's dress Islamic nations (i.e. Middle East or Central Asia) then there are cultural limits imposed beyond the baseline of the religion.
A Senegalese Muslim woman in colourful patterned headscarf and matching dress is following what Islam requires.
Some places have kept, or imposed, much stricter controls on women's dress (amongst other things). And while they might choose to wear more colourful ones, many of these countries (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Bahrain, through to Pakistan and Afghanistan) turn a blind eye to femicide and are plagued by honour killings.
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SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works · 35 pts · 74d
If you are a woman in a heavily Muslim country I think the last thing you'd want to do is draw public attention to yourself
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 74d
The nail that sticks out gets hammered down
Ashelyn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 74d
Just read through the article, Hudud appears to refer to a very specific range of crimes/offenses as laid out by the Qur'an, none of which include wearing a colorful hijab
There are certainly reasons women wouldn't want to stand out, but I don't think this is one of them lil goat
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 74d
Someone will find a way to get pissed off, even if you had the scripture in your hand.
Forsho@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 74d
Patnou@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 74d
Well trying to say Iran, Aghanistan and others but didn't have the space.
Forsho@sh.itjust.works · -5 pts · 74d
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 74d
Did you forget the community you're on? You're right but relax, nobody is expecting crazy levels of nuance here
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
Forsho@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 74d
Sorry i didn’t look at the community while was typing my replies.
SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 74d
It's okay! It's a small thing but I appreciate you
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 74d
He's talking about thick Saudi's, not slender Indonesians.
joshg253@fedia.io · 4 pts · 74d
Thaudis and Slendonesians
ggtdbz@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 18 pts · 74d
Different cultures and different religious traditions have different norms, that’s the main thing. Giant religions, especially relatively decentralized ones are not a monolith.
In the Gulf states the all-black style is more common for locals, Saudi is massive so it’s different in some areas, here in Lebanon you have many sects and the all-black is more associated with fundamentalist Shia Islam, and so on. Most women who wear headscarves are wearing colorful ones.
As a little kid when we still had a bit more tourists coming from Kuwait and the UAE, I would see some women in Niqabs (full face cover) and metal face plates, which would freak me out. Those are not a thing here.
I think most Americans think all of these are one blob, and use “burka” as a catch-all. And that one is only a thing in super fundamentalist societies in places like Afghanistan, not something common at all. It would be like me assuming all Americans live like the FLDS.
unknown@piefed.social · 1 pts · 73d
I mean ngl, I do tend to assume all Usamericans are gun toting maga fundamentalists/mor(m)ons till proven otherwise.
BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 73d
The point of the hijab is effectively to not draw extra attention to yourself. Colors and patterns are pretty common in less strict countries though.
Slogans and logos are kind of problematic for somewhat similar reasons but companies like Adidas have been trying real hard for years to make it work. There's also a drive that Islamic things specifically should not follow western ideals, and that could be the most western thing we've ever done.
remon@ani.social · 3 pts · 74d
The same countries also ban music .... no fun allowed!
unknown@piefed.social · 3 pts · 74d
Modesty.
Patnou@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 74d
But people in india wear colorful hijabs.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 74d
Every culture interprets modesty differently. Many muslim cultures don't have hijabs but have other hair coverings similar to the ones Christians and Jewish women are required to wear.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 74d
unknown@piefed.social · 0 pts · 74d
India is not a 'heavy muslim country'.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 74d
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country#Table
sort it by Muslim population. India is third.
unknown@piefed.social · 3 pts · 74d
India isn't a culturally muslim country and nor us India a country where Islam is heavily culturally imposed upon the citizens.
socsa@piefed.social · 0 pts · 74d
So it has nothing to do with modesty?
Semjeza@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 74d
Socially constructed idea varies by society.
Who'd've guessed?
You'll find very colourfully yet modestly dressed Muslim women in Indonesia, India, Kenya, Senegal, and more.
unknown@piefed.social · -2 pts · 74d
Go look this up on wikipedia and find out for your self.
Flyswat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 74d
This.
There can be local differences in the dress code as long as it's considered modest in the local culture (عُرْف, ie. convention or norm) and it does not show what has to be covered as part of a woman's عَوْرَة (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intimate_parts_in_Islam).
So in some areas it is socially acceptable to have colours while in others the norm is all black.
IWW4@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 74d
Semjeza@fedinsfw.app · -1 pts · 74d
If you're living in one of those very conservative on women's dress Islamic nations (i.e. Middle East or Central Asia) then there are cultural limits imposed beyond the baseline of the religion.
A Senegalese Muslim woman in colourful patterned headscarf and matching dress is following what Islam requires.
Some places have kept, or imposed, much stricter controls on women's dress (amongst other things). And while they might choose to wear more colourful ones, many of these countries (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Bahrain, through to Pakistan and Afghanistan) turn a blind eye to femicide and are plagued by honour killings.