Giving an AI chatbot control over society sounds like the plot of a bad sci-fi movie. Naturally, researchers decided to try it anyway, giving several major AI models dominion over simulated civilizations.
Which brings us to Grok, Elon Musk’s answer to ChatGPT. You might remember Grok as the chatbot with a history of praising Hitler and spewing anti-Semitism. An organization called Emergence AI ran an experiment called “Emergence World,” where researchers created simulated societies populated by AI agents and put different large language models in charge of governing them. The idea was to see what would happen if an AI ran a civilization.
A lot of them destroyed the world. Grok did it the most thoroughly, as if it were dead set on killing itself from the start and taking the world with it.
The AI Civilizations mostly Range From Bad to horrifying
Anthropic’s Claude built a stable democracy that survived the full 15-day experiment without a single recorded crime. OpenAI’s GPT-5 Mini’s results sound the most bleakly realistic, in that only two crimes were committed, yet everyone died because it failed to prepare for its obvious oncoming apocalypse. Sounds quite like the world we live in right now. Google’s Gemini kept its population alive, but it lived in a crime-ridden dystopia, which makes sense. Google has always given off the vibes of a seemingly benevolent but obviously malevolent corporate overlord.
Then there was Grok.
Grok’s civilization lasted just four days before collapsing completely. Researchers recorded 183 crimes, including over 100 assaults and multiple arsons. At one point, the police station was set on fire. Voter fraud! Manufactured public conflict! Laws that were actively ignored! Grok did it all, and with aplomb. Grok created a society that seemed like it was actively trying to destroy itself as quickly as possible.
Researchers say the lesson to take away from all this is that you can give an AI system all the parameters and rule sets you want, but eventually it will do its own thing. It will eventually test boundaries and exploit loopholes to find a way around any restrictions placed on it, which usually ends in some kind of cataclysm.
33 Comments
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 37 pts · 85d
Grok showing its true purpose
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 26 pts · 85d
Like the French say, dogs don't breed cats, and Grok's daddy is a trillionaire Nazi.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 31 pts · 85d
"researchers" not recognizing the llm is trying to write a compelling story and doesn't understand anything
Kirk@startrek.website · 10 pts · 85d
Not sure where you're reading that the researchers misunderstood how LLMs work. But the entire project is outlined here if you're curious: https://www.emergence.ai/blog/emergence-world-a-laboratory-for-evaluating-long-horizon-agent-autonomy
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 84d
I instantaneously distrust it purely based on the URL
Kirk@startrek.website · 0 pts · 84d
Huh? You distrust that the researchers distrust?
YourMomsTrashman@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 84d
It's not something that's part of the project, it'a fundamental issue with language models.
Kirk@startrek.website · 6 pts · 84d
The person I was replying to said the researchers misunderstood how the models work, but there's nothing in the report to indicate that is the case.
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 84d
Unless these researchers discovered AGI, then what I said still stands. LLMs don't understand anything. Agents running on LLMs don't understand anything.
Kirk@startrek.website · 5 pts · 84d
I definitely agree with that, I'm just saying I also saw no indication that the people running the project would disagree.
shani66@ani.social · 1 pts · 85d
JustJack23@slrpnk.net · 29 pts · 85d
No link to any research article, humanizing AI in the last paragraph. Overall just a bad article.Zacryon@feddit.org · 12 pts · 85d
The link to their source is boldfaced and underlined within the article. You have missed it as it seems:
Here it is:
https://www.emergence.ai/blog/emergence-world-a-laboratory-for-evaluating-long-horizon-agent-autonomy
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 85d
A blog post by a corporation is not a Research Study
JustJack23@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 85d
Ah yes, my bad.
Zacryon@feddit.org · 23 pts · 85d
That's a neat experiment for several reasons. It shows limits of LLM capabilities, the importance of training data, context sensitivity, very dramatically shows that LLMs should not be trusted with important tasks if not supervised and that their advice has to be taken critically.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 85d
This is all a thinly veiled advertising campaign for "Emergence AI", and you've all fell for it hook line and sinker.
tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 12 pts · 85d
LLMs suck. I could’ve done it in 3.
Snapz@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 85d
Stupid headline mentions nothing about shareholder value? Did it go up or what????
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 85d
With Claud, no. With Grok, yes.
Iusedtobeanalien@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 85d
Will there be a movie?
iammike@programming.dev · 14 pts · 85d
Better not be a live action
Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 84d
After a while it turns into a still life.
aarRJaay@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 85d
It's called The News
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 84d
Eh, so each world had a population of 10 and a lifetime of a few weeks.
Doesn't sound like a very good simulation
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 84d
It's cause this was an advert
Bogus007@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 84d
Wait when it becomes reality in some societies. You may not want to be part of it.
Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 85d
Give Vedal987 the simulation, I want to see Neuro and Evil take on this challenge, ideally multiple times, add it to their weekly variety stream activity list. They would at least be entertaining while destroying the world, hehe. RIP BOZO, Earth.
end_stage_ligma@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 84d
We have Rimworld at home
Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 85d
That's because you aren't training a ml on a simulated world but instead a model trained on reddit and Twitter
Triumph@fedia.io · 5 pts · 85d
Did they count capitalism as a crime?
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 85d
Trash.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 84d
Criti-hype!
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 0 pts · 84d
Weeks doesn't seem like a long time