ELI5 How come in America we have a fat/obese epidemic while on the same hand we have kids going starving at the same time? Please 5 year old this for me, it has always bothered me.
The cigarette companies used everything they learned about making cigarettes more addictive to make junk food more addictive. Fat children are the fallout.
Poverty isn't the only cause of obesity. There have been countless marketing campaigns for sugar, and for those of us who are used to "normal" levels notice it right away; As a European who have spent a lot of time in the US, I find US bread basically inedible.
They aren't entirely wrong. Grocery stores often have a bread aisle with loaves that probably fit that description. Many grocery stores also have a bakery department that has bread baked in house. I looked at their nutritional facts online and my local grocery chain says there is no added sugars in their sourdough. I know a couple of local bakeries near me as well. Not all of our bread is wonder bread.
Here's a curious thing: Kids going hungry cannot be explained by the profit motive alone. The food industry wants to be paid to feed those kids. The food industry benefits from SNAP and other food welfare programs, which amount to transfers of money from taxpayers to the food industry with a side-effect of providing food for poor kids.
So, kids going hungry isn't an "economics thing". It is not an economic necessity of mixed-economy capitalism. We can tell because there are other mixed-economy capitalist societies that don't have anywhere near as many kids in food insecurity.
It's a "politics thing".
It's about ensuring the existence of a deprived underclass, because some people's ideology demands one.
It's our legacy of slavery, by creating such an impoverished underclass with no dignity during chattel slavery it made the lowest rung lower even when slavery was over. We never finished reconstruction on a social level so if you have no money you matter even less.
There things are both a result of the part of the American body politic that espoused an obnoxiously individualistic idea of "freedom". Because some jerks don't want to pay taxes or care about other people, they argue against government things that help people -- like regulating food and encouraging healthy diets for those with means, or giving the hungry food or money to buy food.
There isn't a good argument for it, just a bad-faith argument made by mean adults who don't mind children starving or adults dying early.
There is more than one child in America. Some can't afford healthy food, so they become obese. Some cannot afford food, so they starve.
In fact, the theory that more than one person exists explains quite a lot of apparent contradictions like "People dislike Apple, but people also keep using iPhones". Well, some people dislike Apple, others keep using iPhones.
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breadsmasher@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 59d
bad fatty food cheap
poor people buy cheap easy food
junk food = cheaper food
justaman123@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 59d
The cigarette companies used everything they learned about making cigarettes more addictive to make junk food more addictive. Fat children are the fallout.
Patnou@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 59d
So basically like you just said all kids in the country are poor?
neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 59d
Poverty isn't the only cause of obesity. There have been countless marketing campaigns for sugar, and for those of us who are used to "normal" levels notice it right away; As a European who have spent a lot of time in the US, I find US bread basically inedible.
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 59d
You have been eating the wrong bread.
Montagge@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 59d
Or they don't like bread that's essentially cake
ThePunnyMan@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 54d
They aren't entirely wrong. Grocery stores often have a bread aisle with loaves that probably fit that description. Many grocery stores also have a bakery department that has bread baked in house. I looked at their nutritional facts online and my local grocery chain says there is no added sugars in their sourdough. I know a couple of local bakeries near me as well. Not all of our bread is wonder bread.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 59d
Are all kids obese?
16% of children are below the poverty line. But even someone just above the poverty line might not be able to afford healthy food.
19.7% of children are obese.
These numbers are awfully close, don't you think?
zeppo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 50d
.... are all kids in the country obese? No. Are all obese kids poor? No.
fubo@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 59d
Here's a curious thing: Kids going hungry cannot be explained by the profit motive alone. The food industry wants to be paid to feed those kids. The food industry benefits from SNAP and other food welfare programs, which amount to transfers of money from taxpayers to the food industry with a side-effect of providing food for poor kids.
So, kids going hungry isn't an "economics thing". It is not an economic necessity of mixed-economy capitalism. We can tell because there are other mixed-economy capitalist societies that don't have anywhere near as many kids in food insecurity.
It's a "politics thing".
It's about ensuring the existence of a deprived underclass, because some people's ideology demands one.
justaman123@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 59d
It's our legacy of slavery, by creating such an impoverished underclass with no dignity during chattel slavery it made the lowest rung lower even when slavery was over. We never finished reconstruction on a social level so if you have no money you matter even less.
DomeGuy@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 59d
There things are both a result of the part of the American body politic that espoused an obnoxiously individualistic idea of "freedom". Because some jerks don't want to pay taxes or care about other people, they argue against government things that help people -- like regulating food and encouraging healthy diets for those with means, or giving the hungry food or money to buy food.
There isn't a good argument for it, just a bad-faith argument made by mean adults who don't mind children starving or adults dying early.
squaresinger@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 59d
There is more than one child in America. Some can't afford healthy food, so they become obese. Some cannot afford food, so they starve.
In fact, the theory that more than one person exists explains quite a lot of apparent contradictions like "People dislike Apple, but people also keep using iPhones". Well, some people dislike Apple, others keep using iPhones.
sunsofold@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 59d
That is so complex, it's hard to point at all the contributing causes.
Brkdncr@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 59d
Capitalism.