Random thought, I wonder if a pathological lack of self worth could really make it so that nothing I say ever has a meaning deeper than the emptiness within m- ohhhh, I get it now.
Well, one of Lenin's first acts was to establish a secret police force and arrest all the Socialist Revolutionaries, you know, the people who actually carried out the February revolution and won the 1917 constitutional assembly vote. Lenin's Bolsheviks did not win, but by then he had couped the government and betrayed the revolution, starting the Russian Civil War.
But saying he betrayed the revolution implied he had any part in it in the first place.
Then, when Lenin died, he had his third version of a sprawling secret police force that Stalin could use without any alteration beyond putting his own supporters in control.
All with "Vanguard Parties" that were just another name for totalitarian rule where dissent was arrested and secretly tortured and murdered, but not that secretly, because they also wanted to spread fear and terror.
Not to defend Lenin (he sucks for other reasons, including the secret police bit), but to be fair:
But saying he betrayed the revolution implied he had any part in it in the first place.
It was the Bolsheviks that overthrew the provisional government, and they had been agitating for more Soviet power before that. They were absolutely an important part of the revolution.
and won the 1917 constitutional assembly vote.
The split of the SRs, had it (edit: fully) taken place before voting rolls were announced, would've almost certainly given the Bolshevik-Left SR coalition a majority.
betrayed the revolution, starting the Russian Civil War.
The idea that anything resembling socialism was going to happen without civil war is a fantasy. The people who would become the Whites obviously weren't trying to restore democracy, and democracy wouldn't have stopped them. I mean hell the Whites' Volunteer Army predates the overthrow of the assembly. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that reactionaries don't actually care about democracy. The only way to avoid civil war would've been to let the reactionaries win before it started.
To reiterate, fuck Lenin for turning post-revolutionary Russia into a one-party police state, but some of these charges don't make sense.
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yakko@feddit.uk · 12 pts · 66d
Random thought, I wonder if a pathological lack of self worth could really make it so that nothing I say ever has a meaning deeper than the emptiness within m- ohhhh, I get it now.
chaogomu@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 65d
Well, one of Lenin's first acts was to establish a secret police force and arrest all the Socialist Revolutionaries, you know, the people who actually carried out the February revolution and won the 1917 constitutional assembly vote. Lenin's Bolsheviks did not win, but by then he had couped the government and betrayed the revolution, starting the Russian Civil War.
But saying he betrayed the revolution implied he had any part in it in the first place.
Then, when Lenin died, he had his third version of a sprawling secret police force that Stalin could use without any alteration beyond putting his own supporters in control.
All with "Vanguard Parties" that were just another name for totalitarian rule where dissent was arrested and secretly tortured and murdered, but not that secretly, because they also wanted to spread fear and terror.
kboy101222@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 65d
Yeah but he used the color red therefore communist! Checkmate, liberal!
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io · 1 pts · 61d
Not to defend Lenin (he sucks for other reasons, including the secret police bit), but to be fair:
It was the Bolsheviks that overthrew the provisional government, and they had been agitating for more Soviet power before that. They were absolutely an important part of the revolution.
The split of the SRs, had it (edit: fully) taken place before voting rolls were announced, would've almost certainly given the Bolshevik-Left SR coalition a majority.
The idea that anything resembling socialism was going to happen without civil war is a fantasy. The people who would become the Whites obviously weren't trying to restore democracy, and democracy wouldn't have stopped them. I mean hell the Whites' Volunteer Army predates the overthrow of the assembly. I'm sure I don't need to tell you that reactionaries don't actually care about democracy. The only way to avoid civil war would've been to let the reactionaries win before it started.
To reiterate, fuck Lenin for turning post-revolutionary Russia into a one-party police state, but some of these charges don't make sense.
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 66d
If he could be more like Trotsky, that would be great
A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 65d
What, you want him to kill off anarchists?
Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 65d
Well he's already doing that part. I think he can work on the other famous ones
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 66d
Chilled down...
SharkAttak@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 65d
Am I in the mirror universe again?
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 65d
Oh. Yeah we haven't even re-unified Ireland and kicked the English out here.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 65d
If trunk wanted to take a hard turn into Longism, I think it could work for him, and would appeal to him.
It would still have literally every problem longism had, but that's not worse than this.
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 66d
Now I wonder how much other communist leaders charged for rent.