More like, if you start pointless wars for no reason, at least send your own sons and daughters to die for your vain pursuit of power, instead of the sons and daughters of the poor who only signed up to escape the poverty trap or because their entire world growing up was designed to dupe them into believing that's what heros do...

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 2 pts · 19d (5 replies)

If you're in america and you're willing to fight a war to escape poverty, but it's NOT class war, you're a piece of shit racist Nazi bitch. You telling me to cry over Nazis getting their balls blown off?

Because I will if you get the timing and music right. That sounds hilarious.

wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 18d (4 replies)

You sound like you don't realize how many black and brown people there are in the US military. You make it sound like it's a bunch of white supremacists. Maybe those types exist, but they're not the norm.

Also, you seem to be forgetting that the failures of the american education system especially apply in impoverished areas, and that recruiters systematically groom and poach students before they even turn 18, using every psychological trick in the book and filling them full of as many promises as they think they want to hear.

Chances are, most people who enlist at 17 or 18 don't know enough about the US's "foreign wars" to realize how deeply unjust those wars have been.

Calling them all nazis is fucking ignorant. It's not like they're ICE, who signed up specifically to violently round up and deport brown people while enjoying impunity for all their crimes up to and including extrajudicial public executions.

Good luck winning your class war if you're going around calling every veteran a fascist though. Most of them are getting fucked over by this regime as hard as anyone else. You wouldn't last a fucking day in a real war.

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 1 pts · 18d (3 replies)

Historically there have been many people in the us military!

They're trying to change that. Have been for a while, and the biden admin didn't revert.

More black and brown Nazis than you'd expect. Have you heard if 'Argentina' or 'nick Fuentes'?

every

Oh wow you're chewing crayons pretty hard, aren't you, little Nazi?

wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 18d

Now you're acting like a petulant child

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 1 pts · 19d (1 reply)

Aw poor baby wants to suck off imperialist baby mass murderers who blow up desalination plants at Israeli orders. Those brave herpes. How dare we suggest their harm is a good thing.

Edit: that was autocorrect, and I'm keeping it.

newton@feddit.online · 1 pts · 19d

😂 🤔 😱

Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 20d (3 replies)

Most have experienced traumatic brain injuries and returned to duty, according to public statements from military officials.

I suppose we'll see how true that is - it wouldn't be exactly surprising for them to be sending wounded personnel back to work when they're still recovering, it's not like they care about their own troops any more than they do Iran's...

errer@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 20d

The brain is the least important organ to have in working order for this military

mirshafie@europe.pub · 5 pts · 20d (1 reply)

"Return to duty" can mean anything from peeling potatoes in the canteen to light paperwork.

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 2 pts · 19d

Have you ever tried to peel potatoes with a concussion?

mrdown@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 20d

Good job iran

djsiete@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 20d

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NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 20d (7 replies)

Fuck colonizers.

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 2 pts · 19d

Injured Nazis are always funny.

massi1008@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d (5 replies)

Which ones? Surely not the US as they have been invited to most of the places in the ME by their indigenous populations.

It'd be like saying the Swiss colonised Rome just because they have some soldiers in the Vatican...

NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 18d (4 replies)

You might want to do a quick google on what a military occupation is, Champ.

massi1008@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d (3 replies)

Story for the late reply.

Military occupation [...] is temporary hostile control According to wikipedia.

Where is the hostility between the US and, say, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, Jordania or Saudi?

I can understand occupation in Iraq and Syria. But even there local leaders (like the kurds) don't seem hostile.

NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14d (2 replies)

It seems entirely possible, to me, that you’re running off of state propaganda sources and not objective reality nor history.

Maybe take a visit to your local library, where you can read all about it!

Seriously, though, stop eating all those bullshit sandwiches, this isn’t even worth arguing with.

massi1008@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13d (1 reply)

Absolutely possible, I'm not perfect an that region isn't my main area of expertise so I would love to be corrected.

(Un)fortunately my library is a pretty big place so telling me to go there will just result in me going home with another Star Wars book that is hardly helpful here. (Or worse yet: More state propaganda!) So can you maybe point me on some, in your opinion, good material? Thanks.

NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 13d

Google is your friend, looking into the military and political history of the U.S. and the various countries of the middle east and the military operations we’ve pulled over there. There are very few, if any, regions in the middle east that the U.S. hasn’t intentionally destabilized or politically infiltrated and sabotaged to achieve whatever our goal was at any given time, usually oil. It’s less that they are accepting and welcoming of America and more that they know that cooperation on their end will lead to less bombs on their schools and hospitals. We are a merciless imperial force, not a welcomed ally.

Check out Operation Ajax and just how much America has been involved in forced military ran regime changes of governments around the world, most of our destabilization efforts are focused on the middle east due to their crude oil supplies.

deft@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 19d (2 replies)

Why would you ever join the military? Especially after the Epstein files came out what kinda idiots are these people

Etzello@midwest.social · 1 pts · 18d (1 reply)

Let's be fair that some people do it for personal honour, their family's honour and/or they like doing it, or any other reason, doesn't necessarily have to be for the country or the leaders. I don't work because I love my CEO, I do it to make a living and at least I make a living doing something I don't hate. My CEO just happens to benefit from it and likewise, the country's leaders also benefit

deft@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 18d

To me, I can't accept that.

Being any part of any military expresses an ignorance about what militaries exist for and what your job is, to basically be a dog of the state. In this era choosing to be in the military says you're a dog of the state choosing to have one piece of shit owner.

Joining up either expresses the heaviest level of "fuck them I'll get mine" mentality or straight up drank the Kool aid and just fill ignorance that can't be by passed. One can no longer act like they don't know what the American military does.

To me anyone who has joined the military since 9/11 is a fool and complicit with cruelness. Anyone who has joined up since Trump took office over a decade ago is just beyond a braindead idiot.

saltesc@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 20d (3 replies)

It's hard to empathise, but it's the regime we hate, not the pawns. I hope they get some fuel cards to take the sting out of being maimed for whatever this mess is. Many US service people are in the forces simply to try get a leg up in their society. It's the bait the government dangles in front of the young and poor.

Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d

I was called on to service in Bush II's wars and was proud to refuse.

If you have to sign up to be a mercenary to advance in society, that society is broken.

Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d

Honestly that makes it slightly worse.

They didn't object the orders "shoot missiles at two middle-schools," and it wasn't even due to brain-washing or propoganda. Just plain old personal gains.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 20d

Fuck those terrorist and anybody who give them excuses

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · -1 pts · 20d (37 replies)

The Los Angeles D line is about to get a new western terminus at the VA hospital. The day it opens I'm gonna go there (on the D train) and make fun of the young guys until one tries to punch me with an arm he doesn't have anymore.

ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 12 pts · 20d (30 replies)

I have 0 sympathy for the US Armed Forces, and a small part of me can't help but feel that people that volunteer for the imperial war machine deserve what they get. But please remember that these are human beings, and all humans deserve dignity. When you forget that, you aren't really better than the worst of them.

SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 20d (9 replies)

The US political and economic system is also designed to entrap people in the military.

Cant afford a education. Military will pay for it.

Can't afford a place to live. Military will provide.

Unable to escape violence and gangs, military.

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 20d (1 reply)

They also provide health care to vets, and vets are given discounts everywhere.

Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 19d

Allegedly they provide healthcare to vets. Ask any vet their opinion on VA hospitals, though.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 20d (6 replies)

I would rather struggle in life then kill

SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 18d (5 replies)

For some, its death they are escaping. Either from crime, or economic depression. Also only 1 in 10 military personel become a "shooter" the majority go into logistics, technical or administrative roles.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 18d (4 replies)

Anybody who participate in a war of agression deserve to be targetted from logistic to technical to administrative personels.

SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 18d (3 replies)

Under law, they are considered combatants, so I am not sure what your point is.

Most people in the Military of either side of a conflict are not there by choice, but by limited options and circumstances.

If they had the option of joining a WPA style public works program instead, they would.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 18d

I don't care about excuses. Limited options and circonstances do not the change the fact they either went to kill or assist the killers in killing the iranians civilians so yes every injured or dead soldiers man more chance to save iranians civlians. You would never said this bullshit if it was about an isis terrorist getting killed or injured

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 4 pts · 20d (2 replies)

They signed up to fight trump wars. They knew what they were getting into.

I'm not going to fuck with the old guys. When you can't tell the difference between an asshole and a monster, you're not really any different than the worst of them, shitlib.

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 20d (1 reply)

Teenagers signed up with adults telling them it was honorable.

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 2 pts · 19d

Yeah, that's why I'm not going after the old guys. I'm going after the ones who haven't adjusted to not having the arm they try to punch me with. Those fuckers got no excuse.

I remember being a teenager. I clocked that the bush admincs wars weren't honorable. I was smarter than most, but this is fucking trump.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 20d (15 replies)

Remember that those are helping killing innocent civilians. The iranians deserve dignity, their killers deserve none. The more casualities the usa get inflicted thr more innocent iranians lives will be saved

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 1 pts · 19d (7 replies)

The irgc is also pretty bad. I wouldn't say they're better than the Americans, but the irgc isn't blowing up schools and fighting on side with zios.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d (6 replies)

The usa tried to create a failed state, a failed state kill millions and they already killed millions from vietnam to afghanistan to iraq, to syria, to libya so yeah the usa is a lot worse than the irgc.

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 1 pts · 19d (5 replies)

I'm not going to pretend any of the militaries here are the good guys, I'm just here to mock the crippled bitches from one who come back missing limbs and make them cry or crave a 9mm sandwich.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d (2 replies)

Everything is in context. The context we are talking about is the war of aggression on iran so in that context the Iranian army is the good side and the usa army the bad side. It similar to how the allies was the good guy in the world war 2 and the axis the bad guys despite the allies having colonies and killing resistance in the colonized countries

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 0 pts · 19d

No. The irgc (dunno about their regular army) are the shitty assholes who were killing their own civilians for water riots. That's not good guys. Not under any conditions.

Then the Americans decided that was their job, and also blew up all the desalination plants, and also school children. There are no good guys here. Just pieces of absolute subhuman shit killing each other and innocent people who are so fucked.

I'm here to mock the pieces of shit who end up in my city when they come back missing pieces.

Aedaz_@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 19d (1 reply)

You dont have the balls

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 1 pts · 19d

I bet a lot of them don't either!

ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · -1 pts · 20d (6 replies)

The irony of your comment is that by dehumanising them you are showing the exact same impulse that drives wars of aggression.

The moment you decide certain human beings are completely stripped of dignity and fair game for abuse, you are using the exact same psychological justification that warmongers use.

mrdown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 20d

I did not dehumanize them but they willfully decided to kill iranians and them getting killed or injured prevent them from killing more civilians

NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 20d (3 replies)

“Fascists use hammers to build houses, so if you use hammers to build houses then you’re a fascist!”

See also, “Hitler was a vegetarian, so all vegetarians are Hitler!”

Learn to apply context and intentions.

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 2 pts · 18d

Seriously. Liberals just like their buddies; look back and find the shiy they say about protestors.

ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 0 pts · 20d (1 reply)

Nice strawman you got there.

The main difference is that dehumanisation is the very core of fascism. The moment you defend human dignity is conditional you accept their main premise.

NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 19d

No, authoritarianism is the core of fascism. Anyone attempting to force their will onto others by force can fuck themselves to death, they don’t deserve the considerations they actively refuse to others, I will not treat them as people, I did not strip that from them, they actively gave up their humanity. Stop blaming others for that behavior, blame the fucking perpetrators.

Your faux humanitarianism rhetoric is just the propaganda of pacifism, which is something these specific fucking nazis specifically added to the social programming. You are delivering a rhetoric made by these fucks to protect these fucks from you. Wake up. I’m not the one arguing a straw man.

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 1 pts · 18d

Gonna gp to Iran, dig through battlefield wreckage, find their balls, and choke on em?

But you're the dignified here?

flandish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 20d

when you volunteer for this, you’re either already a victim or a sociopath piece of shit. the former gets help getting out and recovering. the latter gets to be reminded they are a nazi forever.

ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 20d (3 replies)

Many of them are brainwashed by parents and are ignorant of world affairs. The recruiters get to them when they are 17. Many regret it later, and that's why the suicide rates in the military are high. Teenagers make incredibly poor decisions. I get what you're saying, but have some compassion. The enemy are the folks who own media and profit from it, not the ignorant masses.

EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 19d

17? Many schools have recruiters walking the halls long before that. Plenty of these kids were getting talked up in the hallway at 15 and had recruiters calling their cellphones unprovoked or stalking them to their homes using personal information they got from the schools.

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 1 pts · 19d

I inconvenience them too, when I can!

IronBird@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19d

tends to be the most accessible way out of that poor small-town hellscape so common across america too.

part of me wonders if one of the main reasons we dont have universal healthcare/education is it would effectively crater DoD's ability to recruit anyone. already struggle to hit their quota as is...

Aedaz_@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 19d (1 reply)

What the hell is wrong with you?

PRIMEcavitationfetishist@quokk.au · 1 pts · 19d

Plenty, but currently a lack of the right train station.