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56 Comments
davidgro@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 25d
"I.C. Weiner? Aw, crud."
W_itjust_works@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 25d
Not again. ..
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 24d
Giving Futurama my first watch and all of the memes are conveniently in season 1, so far
Soulg@ani.social · 6 pts · 24d
Enjoy it! But watch out for Seymour. Theres several surprise tear jerkers mixed in
fake@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 24d
Argh I wasn't ready to remember those episodes
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 24d
Similar things have happened ...
Rooster326@programming.dev · 3 pts · 24d
Those people were never waking up so what difference does it make?
Saledovil@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 24d
Eh, going from "might come back some day" to "definitively gone forever" still hurts. (Yes, I do realize that the word "might" is being worked super hard here)
tyranny@crazypeople.online · 12 pts · 24d
this comic gets at an important idea, that preserving something indefinitely means indefinite maintenance and energy, which not only has to be funded indefinitely but also is vulnerable to errors. and it gets at this idea through a fairly east-to-understand and humorous scenario. well played, Gary Larson
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 25d
A long time I haven't heard people ranting about cryopreservation, has it become mainstream or maybe forgotten?
InnerScientist@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 25d
Forgotten and most that were frozen had to be scraped out of the the cryo chamber for one reason or another.
W_itjust_works@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 25d
Is Disney still in the vault??
InnerScientist@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 25d
He never was afaik
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 24d
I get my Disney history exclusively from the Venture Bros.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -5 pts · 25d
Source? I mean you sound like one of the anti-cryo people...
Pacrat173@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 25d
One of the earliest attempts ended in the whole scraping remains out of a tube
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -6 pts · 25d
"Tales from the internet"
Wow, guess you don't have anything serious lol.
Why do you hate cryopreservation?
Pacrat173@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 25d
I have no opinion on the topic this video just talks about it you don’t believe me here’s a article talking about the failures mentioned in the other comment
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 24d
My problem with it from the starters is that it's an article from February 1992. It's like saying that cancer medicine doesn't work and link a 30 year old article. Medicine has come a long way since then!
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 5 pts · 24d
You know cryo isn't a thing right?
As in: I hate martians.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 24d
But it is, we cryopreserve (and thaw) things all the time. Just not entire humans, yet.
But I understand better your aversion to it, like it was a belief and not science.
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub · 3 pts · 24d
Cryopreservation refers to things which will be reanimated when thawed. That's no more plausible than a star trek transporter.
InnerScientist@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 25d
Source for it being forgotten is just my feeling on it, as for the scraping off part see here for a quick overview of cryogenic freezing history.Edit: well, seems I was too slow
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 25d
I read an article about this a while ago. Apparently the main obstacle is the formation of destructive ice crystals. They can avoid this by cooling fast enough to extreme low temperatures, which is already used in practice on very small things:
There have been recent breakthroughs in preserving whole organs, albeit not indefinitely so far:
There's also techniques that don't rely on cooling:
They're not close to bringing frozen people back from the dead though:
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 24d
I don't know what the hold up is. A man was successfully flash frozen in carbonite and unfrozen several months later, with temporary blindness being the only side effect. This was around 1980, I think.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 24d
Yeah, this is fantastic tech, nice examples! Another is that most donor organs are discarded but wouldn't be if we could cryopreserve them!
And yeah, those people already cryopreserved today will be the hardest to "get back", they were also already dead (because legislation, can't cryopreserve a living human being even if they're dying right now).
That shouldn't stop research though IMO.
Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 24d
My impression was that, much like AI, we made some cool stuff and then people realized the whole "Buy in now, we'll figure out the rest later" model is a scam.
Like, i vaguely remember someone saying to freeze yourself now, and by the time we need to thaw you out we'll have the technology.
Blemgo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 24d
I think the biggest issue is that, at least quite a few years back, is that the methods of cryogenically preserve the bodies without ice crystals forming cause the arteries to weaken due to the chemicals used instead of blood. So if they were to thaw the body they would need a way to completely replace every artery in the body, or else they will rupture everywhere inside the body once they revive it. So basically the body is doomed to be unusable.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 24d
Yeah who can tell, not me. But the alternative is 100% guaranteed.
Also, it's not because someone tries to scam you, that it doesn't work (or will work in the future).
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 8 pts · 25d
Last I remember reading, it seems to have largely revealed itself to be little more than a scam. Although, sure-- if you're rich enough, egotistical-enough, and desperate enough, you can give yourself some comfort in the delusion that you'll be both adequately stored and then later, someone will want to try to unfreeze you at some point and cure you / de-age you.
*shrug*
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 25d
Well, how can it be a scam if they keep you?
We are getting better and better at cryopreservation and thawing all the time. It's a young technology, like cancer treatment was a hundred years ago.
As for the whole "egoistic" part, wouldn't you try to escape death by taking your cancer medicine?
And desperate? For wanting to live?
All those takes are completely wild to me. I mean nobody is forcing anyone to do it, and if you don't, well you get buried or cremated, what's the big deal?
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 7 pts · 25d
There *is* no big deal going on there, AFAIK. People have been coping with existential dread for millennia, and at this point it would be weird to expect otherwise.
My points mainly involve the fact that historically, cryo-preservation doesn't work as intended, however much improved it might be at this point. Also, there's the inevitable subtext that in a civilisation racing towards collapse, the idea that you're going to miraculously defy all odds, somehow coming back to live happier days someplace seems borderline-hilarious to me.
More probable as I see it is building yourself a rocket ship and settling on luna, where you'll enjoy feasts of moon-cheese for the rest of your days. 🙂
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 24d
Yeah, Luna colony sounds great until you run across the Nazi stronghold on one your cheese walks.
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 4 pts · 24d
In which case "schipelblorp!" seems like an unusally-apt exclamation in such cases? :D
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 24d
Yeah I get it, nicely put too.
I'm much less a doomer myself and we're potentially on the cusp of super longevity and more (yay bunker cheeze after the nuclear war for centuries 😉).
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 2 pts · 24d
For the record, I don't claim to be a doomer in the slightest, just someone who seeks to understand the trajectories of late-stage capitalism and global climate change. But yeah, as you say, science is always coming up with exciting new breakthroughs and such.
Btw, are you the major Moebius appreciator from a couple years ago?
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 23d
Note taken! When I think about the doomer attitude, I really feel it depresses people. I'm more of an optimistic mind, or if all goes to hell, yeah let's have cheese and party!
And yeah that's me, I had a hard time (found out I'm allergic to nuts, but before that I was crazy tired for years, on and off, and that had some impact on my life to say the least) but since the start of the summer I'm back (burning in the french heat waves 🥵) ! I also picked up painting so I'm more of a Renoir guy than Moebuys dud nowadays I guess. Giraud still rocks though 😋!
You did a Tintin spin off right? Angered some anti-AI luddites IIRC, what are you up to now?
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 1 pts · 23d
Yeah, I feel that. Life is short, and I don't see the point in being gloomy if one can possibly help it.
Oh, nice. I do remember you sharing some art samples a couple years ago.
Haha, I did that once and only once, when I was discovering the possibilities of ChatGPT. I learned a lesson about sharing, but I do still use GPT all the time as an information / lookup assistant.
Anyway, I'm still curating EGN. Still going strong after 3+yrs...
https://piefed.social/c/eurographicnovels
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 24d
Just because we are getting better at something doesn't mean if we did it incorrectly in the past it suddenly becomes better.
None of these bodies were frozen in a way that matches modern techniques. No matter how advanced we become we can't fix that.
It's like if you had a washing machine from 30 years ago and said it uses less electricity now because washing machine technology has advanced so much
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 24d
It's more like you have a huge pile of copper and electricity just had been invented IMO. It sure will work one day, that's a certainty, why not take the chance, if you can?
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 24d
Listen, I don't have a lot of fancy technology, but I do have a chest freezer that I haven't used in a few years. If you want to give me $3,000, I can leave your body in there for, like, five years or whatever. DM me.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 24d
😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣😂
/s
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 24d
Why the hostility? I'm being up front with my offer and I'm not guaranteeing I can make you live forever or anything. It is possible, but unlikely, that an important breakthrough might happen in those five years; sure, it might not be the MOST advanced tech, but it IS at an affordable price point after the point you need to buy anything else.
But, fine man, if you just want to be dead with absolutely ZERO chance of being revivified and cured of whatever killed you, that's a personal decision.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 24d
🤣🤣😂🤣😂😉😂🤣😂!!!!
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cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 24d
god dammit bob
Objection@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 24d
Shout-out to the dude on the right going into cryosleep with a trans flag shirt in 1990.