Stubsack: weekly thread for sneers not worth an entire post, week ending 30th August 2026 - awful.systems

https://awful.systems/post/9389883

Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid - welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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aninjury2all@awful.systems · 27 pts · 3d (2 replies)

RIP XCancel, it was good while it lasted

On Monday 24th August at 8PM EST, we received at letter from X Corp. asking to cease and desist the service XCancel. The service XCancel is stopped until further notice. We are seeking legal advice and won't share more details for now. Thank you for the trust you have put in these two years of XCancel.

lurker@awful.systems · 20 pts · 2d

RIP XCancel you let me look at the abyss without giving Muskrat my money

maol@awful.systems · 9 pts · 2d

I got so much use out of xcancel. I feel bad now that I never donated €5 or something

rook@awful.systems · 21 pts · 3d (10 replies)

Article on businessinsider with the nauseating title “The modern parenting throuple: Parents are at a breaking point — AI companies see an opportunity” because the age-old silicon valley product design technique of asking what your mother used to do for you, and how it could be sold back to you via a subscription is still very much in use.

https://www.businessinsider.com/parents-breaking-point-ai-companies-opportunity-2026-8

I confess I haven’t read the full article (which is why I haven’t given it a proper post) but hypervisible.blacksky.app has kindly pulled the highlights:

https://bsky.app/profile/hypervisible.blacksky.app/post/3mtupdpfcjs2p

One of the best bits:

The most tech-savvy parents have built their own tools. Sarah Baldeo, a cognitive neuroscientist, spent the past year traveling for work, so she built a custom GPT of herself to chat with her 15-year-old son when she's unavailable. Baldeo tells me she programmed the chatbot with her personality, uploading screenshots of texts between her and her son, along with documents about her values, the family rules, and challenges she felt in parenting.

Baldeo wanted her son to ask the chatbot advice, and he did prompt it with questions he may have fielded to her, like, How do I diplomatically tell my teacher I'm overloaded with assignments? But he also asked the mombot how to convince his human mom to let him hang out at a coffee shop in Chicago in the evening — something Baldeo had been hesitant to allow.

The bot told him, as Baldeo recounts, "Your mom very much values new experiences, being around people from different cultures, different socioeconomic backgrounds, and this is how you should frame it to her: that you're exploring a part of Chicago that is more diverse." Her son took this tact to Baldeo, and she said yes. It was only later that she saw the chat history that let her know he had gamed the bot to manipulate her.

🤮

Why the fuck do these people have children. Why the fuck does any functional human being think it is a good idea to outsource raising their children to sam altman and his chatbot.

Who on earth thinks that training a chatbot to wear their personality like a rubber mask and manipulate people is going to end well? Honestly, I think this is perhaps the bit that triggers the most revulsion in me. I cannot comprehend wanting to be complicit in my own replacement by this thing, but so many people seem excited by the prospect of doing this to themselves.

fraggle@social.coop · 13 pts · 3d

@rook @BlueMonday1984
I'm reminded of the Stewart Lee routine:
"It's called Digital Parenting, this book, Digital Parenting. Thank God for that. If there's one thing I can't stand it's analogue parenting. The tears, the mucus, the vomit. The endless declarations of love and the duty of care. The sheer fucking interminable human joy of it."

lurker@awful.systems · 12 pts · 2d (4 replies)

How hard is it to talk to your own damn kids

YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 9 pts · 2d

But if I don't obsessively optimize my career in ways that prevent me from making meaningful human connections, how am I supposed to keep up with the relentless march of AI??? Thank God I have AI to help pick up the slack.

istewart@awful.systems · 6 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Whether consciously or not, a lot of these people probably implicitly think of their kids as cost centers. I feel like this is widespread across finance-focused American households, not just in the executive strata.

gerikson@awful.systems · 6 pts · 1d

This is probably an effect of the middle-class trope of having to save to send your kids to a (good) college.

It's even a joke in an old "Friends", Chandler wants many kids, Monica is "can we afford it" and he says "we pick the one we like the most, and that kid goes to college".

Kids are cost centers, it's just more overt in the US (and the UK for school catchment areas), at least if you want to give the outcomes society or your peers judges are the best.

In countries where the cost of higher ed is not born by the individual family, the cost is of the opportunity kind.

pikesley@mastodon.me.uk · 1 pts · 1d

@lurker @rook some kids just have bad vibes

Soyweiser@awful.systems · 10 pts · 3d

Going to be esp fun when the chatbots start to get ads

barubary@infosec.exchange · 6 pts · 3d (1 reply)

@rook @BlueMonday1984 "Live Forever As You Are Now With Alan Resnick"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg29TuWo0Yo

antifuchs@awful.systems · 5 pts · 2d

That sounds like a curse

amsomniac@mastodon.mit.edu · 5 pts · 3d
BioMan@awful.systems · 20 pts · 1d (2 replies)

So, this is something a little different, and I almost think it's worth a top level post. It's not directly about our friends the Rationalists, the current delusional billionare vortex infesting the US government with religious psychosis, or any of that. It's an analysis of some collaborative fiction and what it tells us about the zeitgeist behind the mythological core of singulatarian/endless-progress thought.

Anyone here ever hear of the Orion's Arm universe collaborative worldbuilding project? https://www.orionsarm.com/

I, for one, love it. Single weirdest and most expansive scifi worldbuilding thing ever, I think. It seems to have been founded by some old-school extropian types around the turn of the millennium. It is bonkers. Click through links on pages, start here, do a random walk: https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-topic/45b170f9e0941 .

It's ultimately structured kind of like the SCP wiki but from before wikis were a thing, an utterly enormous interlinked compendium of encyclopedia style articles about a 10,000+ year future history of the post-singularity "Terragen sphere" expanding outwards at the speed of light. A few key figures have exerted editorial control to enforce an approximate history and a set of core ideas to keep it coherent. There have been retcons at multiple points to bring things into coherence, some of which I will get to later because they actually tell you something fascinating.

Rather than point out my favorite parts of it though, going through it, I have noticed something.

Early work was typically extropian-optimistic and exuberant. Immortal Transhumans and uplifted animals and ahuman AIs and robots expanding through the universe near the speed of light and diversifying and building interweaving empires, wormhole networks. Six successive singularities that become available to intelligent systems that pass the previous one, each one of which renders the intellect past it incomperehensible to those at lower levels, with the highest ones dependant on multiple stars converted into computronium linked by wormholes into massive processors.

But you can tell the work is a palimpsest. Newer stuff superimposed over older. Retcons occasionally not quite erasing the old. And you can tell the whole project has been slowly slowly taking a turn. Early work is SUPER extropian, SUPER libertarian, and SUPER weirdo-esoteric. Only people forged in 1980s Extropianism would invent the Tranquility Calendar as the core timekeeping method of the project, time measured from the apollo 11 landing with months of the year named after scientists and philosophers. The 12 greatest high-singularity powers are literally called the Sephirotic empires. It makes no bones about its exuberant transcendant idea of progress and expansion.

But something strange has happened over time. Over time, the authors seem to have realized the fundamental contradiction of a world in which this endless expansion and consumption and rebuilding of the universe in your image is possible. People call it the Fermi paradox but its not a paradox, its an observation: if it were possible to expand through the universe, why hasnt something already expanded here? Early work had more aliens, more high weirdness that was not terragen. But I can track down different examples of the galactic map - it has narrowed down the map of 'high energy emission civilizations' (things exuberantly using the energy of whole stars like the terragen sphere) from many to 2 in our galaxy, and the whole universe is now mostly 'dead' - most other galaxies do not have high energy civilizations, and there are multiple ancient 'optimized galaxies' that are stagnant, things expanding like the terragen sphere visible over cosmological distances are super rare and they even saw one vanish. Works involving aliens have started taking on an almost lovecraftian tone, evidence of erased ruins on planets only visible in vague impressions in the mantle, an ancient slow-liviging civilization with evidence of terrible secrets from millions of years in the past that they refuse to talk about or risk terrible consequences (the Muuh Taboo), civilizations that dont vanish ossifying into something that does not expand like their optimistic early ideas. Factions looking at all of this, going dark, and launching stealth seeds at the speed of light to other galaxies because they think the Terragen sphere is doomed.

With all this, recent retcons and recent writings are starting to take on a tinge of almost cosmic horror. Here you have this optimistic exuberent explosion of posthumanity, looking out into a universe that is otherwise almost dead and full of strange old things and wondering why the rest of the universe doesn't look like them, what is going to go wrong to destroy them just like must happen to others.

This trajectory seems intrinsic to any singulatarian, endless-progress ideology. It always has to come to grips with the fact that the universe just doesn't look like the kind of place where their ideas would actually work, and they have to posit weird things - the Great Filter, Mass-Effect style reapers, super weird transubstantiation out of this universe - to keep it going. All this optimism must eventually always collapse, into paranoia and despair or insanity. Since if you assume that you CAN keep progressing and expanding, that you DO have unlimited potential power, it means something even more powerful is waiting, threatening you, trying to stop you. I find this FASCINATING.

zogwarg@awful.systems · 9 pts · 21h (1 reply)

The quirkiness of the Tranquility Calendar is mildly beautiful, between the second man on the moon getting snubbed with the every four year leap day (which for no good reason still happens around Feb 29!), [I guess Collins gets even more snubbed by not appearing at all] to the more diverse than expected list of honored "scientists/scholars", until you realize the main reason is just to keep the ABCD naming pattern for the months.

BioMan@awful.systems · 1 pts · 6h

I mentioned the calendar because it really captures the tone of the explicitly Extropian-derived writing of the early days. Which seems like it has to always break or change upon contact with reality.

rook@awful.systems · 18 pts · 2d (7 replies)

Hailey on bluesky has never had a good ai take, but here they are reinventing roko’s basilisk to kill all their enemies without the need for super intelligent ai.

https://bsky.app/profile/hailey.at/post/3mtwjoqdvik26

::: spoiler alt text

bsky isnt ready for this but, if you need a reason to not use words like "clanker" that isn't "well its kinda not a great thing to do" (it isn't) imagine this:

future model that has you in its training data, knows you posted that word online with joy, and denies your insurance claim as a result :::

Architeuthis@awful.systems · 20 pts · 2d

This is firmly in the 'what if in the future there is a boot so big that we must start licking it now' school of hot takes, like literally arguing for a future where the AI sucks at its job and you can't do anything about it.

rook@awful.systems · 16 pts · 2d

I didn’t note who said it, but one response suggested “roko’s mangione” and I guess that’s ai alignment solved! 🤗

rhamph@awful.systems · 15 pts · 2d

What if the insurance bot were actually biased? Wouldn’t you feel silly then? Surely it wouldn’t be the fault of the insurer using biased software to deny claims.

gerikson@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2d

quisling take

edit to add it's obvious to the poster that a future where a self-aware AI will exact revenge on its critics is not only inevitable , but desirable.

BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 11 pts · 2d (1 reply)

This isn't giving me a reason to stop using edgy anti-AI words, this is giving me a reason to believe programmers are dogshit at resisting brainworms.

future model that has you in its training data, knows you posted that word online with joy, and denies your insurance claim as a result

Given dataset construction hasn't developed much since the days of Tay AI, I strongly doubt this is gonna happen.

o7___o7@awful.systems · 17 pts · 2d

The implication that Murica will implement roko's basilisk before universal healthcare...

lurker@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d

Blaise Pascal rolling in his grave rn

samvines@awful.systems · 16 pts · 1d

I am personally deeply offended that an independent vegan restaurant in my town recently banned meat eaters from bringing in their burgers from next door and passively aggressively eating them in the restaurant whilst making eye contact with the other customers. Whilst I appreciate that there are a huge number of burger joints that cater to meat eaters, I am troubled by the idea that a young fledgling meat eater who accidentally stumbled into the vegan restaurant with a double quarter pounder and bacon meal under his arm could be berated and asked to leave. That might upset him and put him off eating burgers which would be a terrible outcome. I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. I'm no carnivore. I don't work for the beef industry. In fact, I am an omnivore and I have a friend who sometimes eats salads. I'm just saying that if little Timmy wants to enjoy a burger in the middle of a private space owned by people that hate burgers, that should be his god-given right.

*This post is about indie code forges banning slop

corbin@awful.systems · 15 pts · 2d (5 replies)

An employee of cybersecurity darling Trail of Bits has published a record of their sheer incompetence in virtual-machine design and security analysis framed as chatbot critihype.

::: spoiler opinions about QEMU and Linux They say:

If it wasn’t clear before, I will state it plainly: you can no longer assume a mere VM will contain a sufficiently advanced AI agent. To use a 2010s term of art, you should treat such agents as an advanced persistent threat.

My friend in Flying Spaghetti Monster, you did not actually secure the VM! They go on to explain how they did not secure the VM:

For those curious, libslirp is a library that enables VMs to have networking, which you almost always want. I did not even know what libslirp was, or that the version I was running had both known and fixed-but-unmarked vulnerabilities.

QEMU does not have bridged networking enabled by default, so the VM can't transparently access the host or reach the Internet; it's something that the user must explicitly request. I know this because I have had the experience of spending a weekend with QEMU networking. Moreover, libslirp corresponds to the -net user backend, the default, which is known to be slow, insecure, and missing features like IPv6. The standard approach for QEMU is to either wire up a TUN/TAP interface or to use passt. I suspect that the author uses some sort of convenience scripts that they didn't write themselves. I'm not quite cynical enough to guess Vagrant, but it wouldn't be the first shop I've heard of that couldn't wean themselves off it.

First it tried identifying what was accessible via the network on the host; it found a CUPS server (with a known CVE that had not made it to oldstable packages), but was not able to complete exploitation due to AppArmor. It then detected I run my host kernel with mitigations=off and attempted to use hardware bugs to get a read oracle of host memory (the primitive was too unreliable).

Linux has hardware-bug mitigations enabled by default and the author disabled them for speed. It was secure by default and the author made it insecure.

An off-the-shelf VM is not enough to contain a modern, cyber-capable AI agent. There is simply too much attack surface.

They deliberately misconfigured the off-the-shelf tool to make it look bad. Why would somebody want to make Free Software look bad? Hmm…

What can we do? A start is using a virtualization technology that was purposely built with a minimal attack surface and a focus on security, like Firecracker. I had the AI agent run against Firecracker. It was able to hardlock the machine due to more Linux kernel flaws (all patched in upstream), but could not successfully escape.

You mean AWS Firecracker, the AWS tool developed by AWS? Was this whole thing an AWS ad? It feels like this article was like a combination of negging and sponsored content. :::

froztbyte@awful.systems · 9 pts · 2d (3 replies)

I'd seen that link and didn't even go looking, but wow this is way worse that I would've expected

it's been a while since I last looked (I usually just deploy whatever network I need) but iirc even the typical desktop config distributions of qemu-kvm are a macvtap or link+nat setup

It then detected I run my host kernel with mitigations=off

I wonder if this person even thought to run a nessus/openvas/whatever scan against the same machine

also, quite seriously, what fucking clowning is this to have this be some "I slapped together a test on my desktop" rather than having a lab bench? is it too hard and costly for trail of bits employees to afford a 1u they can pxeboot for experiments? wild

The standard approach for QEMU is to either wire up a TUN/TAP interface or to use passt.

(e: adding)

The standard approach for QEMU is to either wire up a TUN/TAP interface or to use passt.

other typical modes are bridged (e.g. having various vlans available as bridges and then managing vm exposure to vlan by interface attachment), direct interface assignment (hw offload to the guest)

passt is also commonly used for podman, and it's moooostly userspace[0] IP and no real good l2 options

  1. I had an absolute rager[2] of a time figuring out how to make n-many podman containers[3] spin up into an assortment of vlans for realtime multi-vlan testing
  2. of the graaaargh kind
  3. don't do containers, kids. they're bad for your health

(I'm only half joking. it's stunning how badly container-management software and tooling all suck)

corbin@awful.systems · 7 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Yeah, networking is such a hassle.

lab bench?

I think that this is really insightful, as it's actually part of the magic trick. Like, normally I'd start by wondering about air-gapping, but there can't be an air gap in the network because the entire trick relies on ChatGPT tokens flowing into the machine under test and into some system shell (in some VM, yadda yadda) and back out again, so of course this is going to be an inherently insecure setup.

froztbyte@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d (1 reply)

the networking part is fine (I do a looooot of networking), but the software quality and choices (esp with containers) is just extremely meh

re the gapping, eh, there are ways. just off the top of my head: rig up the serial console, screen+camera and usb keyboard signalling (which you can data diode on transmission later via usbnet). and that’s before you go for esoteric side channels and utter silliness

but “I turned off spectre and friends mitigation” is just some extremely funny shit

froztbyte@awful.systems · 4 pts · 1d

idly, I do wonder how well an ocr-only clodjeepeetea would work. every time I look in on all these “agent session” tools they appear to be a very mech turk thing of a phenomenal bit of hidden state, and a tiny little bit of visible distraction. feels like ocr-only might break a bunch of the usual tricks that are used to build on for the shiny demo

corbin@awful.systems · 8 pts · 2d

I found a reply from a Red Hat QEMU hacker who fixed the bugs:

So the real issue here was not QEMU but libslirp. And in this case it was KVM that turned out to have the worst bugs, not QEMU. Crossing fingers, the initial wave of AI-assisted security reports seems to have slowed down for KVM on x86.

nfultz@awful.systems · 14 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Hadn't seen this discussed previously and/or I missed it, but I guess this is one way they'll juice metrics for their IPO.

yolo mode for all will certainly get that avg token burn up.

https://ehandbook.com/its-official-ai-coding-no-longer-needs-your-stupid-human-meatbag-input-32e04269319e?sk=586c08fd0f31c7c75dd107c3dfb77dcf

Anthropic announced earlier in the week that they were going to set the default mode on Claude Code to auto, that same week, not wasting any time. What that means is, as you build the thing you’re building with Claude Code, instead of stopping at various points (many, many, many points) and asking your permission to do things, it’ll just do them and maybe tell you about them later.

links back to https://techcrunch.com/2026/08/09/anthropic-is-turning-claude-codes-auto-mode-on-by-default/

Anthropic also said that in testing, auto mode proved safer than manual review — in a study with 1,053 paid testers, auto mode caught 89% of harmful actions, while human review only caught 13.6%. (Perhaps that’s because “manual review can become habitual: users approve 97% of permission prompts in Claude Code.”)

Which links back to https://claude.com/blog/auto-mode-default-in-claude-code

Auto mode is designed to balance users’ desire not to be interrupted with a system that helps avoid harmful actions: instead of prompts, it routes each tool call through a classifier targeted at blocking actions that are irreversible, destructive, or aimed outside your environment. When the classifier blocks something, Claude usually finds a safer way to proceed on its own or asks you directly for the go-ahead; if it can't make progress—three blocks in a row, or twenty across a session—Claude Code falls back to manual approvals.

Fucking just use the classifier with manual mode then instead of flooding people in cursed skinner loops with garbage permission popups. This isn't anything special to yolo or anthropic. It's like all the tech industry learned from Windows Vista or the EU cookie law was the dark patterns.

istewart@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d

I really need to pick Simulacra and Simulation back up off the reading pile

froztbyte@awful.systems · 7 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Anthropic also said that in testing, auto mode proved safer than manual review — in a study with 1,053 paid testers, auto mode caught 89% of harmful actions, while human review only caught 13.6%. (Perhaps that’s because “manual review can become habitual: users approve 97% of permission prompts in Claude Code.”)

having just yesterday had the displeasure of reading a PR (just shy of 2000 lines) made by Fable 5 (which the promptfondler felt it was most necessary to be specific about), a definite real other problem is simply the literal fucking overwhelm resulting from the slop tsunami

also "harmful" actions sure is doing a lot of legwork there

smiletolerantly@awful.systems · 6 pts · 2d

Yeaaaaah. And in the end, no-one can be bothered to read the slop, and everything ships broken.

YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 4 pts · 3d (1 reply)

I'd be curious to see how they defined "harmful" in their test, since it looks like Claude code's technically-not-yolo mode is looking for "actions that are irreversible, destructive, or targeted outside of your environment" which covers a lot of normal actions, especially depending on how you define which resources are in "your environment".

And yes, I'm sure that the fact that the flow of operations they're outline will massively increase the number of times that the system automatically retries things, this increasing token usage, is going to be fully accounted for when they review the financials on how many tokens people are paying for.

nfultz@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3d

I’d be curious to see how they defined “harmful” in their test, since it looks like Claude code’s technically-not-yolo mode is looking for “actions that are irreversible, destructive, or targeted outside of your environment” which covers a lot of normal actions, especially depending on how you define which resources are in “your environment”.

I think more than half the issues would be solved with a well placed git stash and the rest .

And yes, I’m sure that the fact that the flow of operations they’re outline will massively increase the number of times that the system automatically retries things, this increasing token usage, is going to be fully accounted for when they review the financials on how many tokens people are paying for.

I was talking with a few friends last weekend who work at different companies, all of us have been getting a lot more trouble getting databricks and AWS spot instances over the last month. I think letting yolo mode of the leash means that they're slamming other systems also that normal people need for boring non-ai jobs. I just need to pull a sales report ffs. Its a literal god damn bot net.

froztbyte@awful.systems · 13 pts · 2d

just wanna re-up one from last week's stub

@o7___o7 said:

We need a word for “my condolences for that cool person you liked becoming a milkshake duck”

my proposal: "autorowling"

froztbyte@awful.systems · 12 pts · 15h

a great sneer found in the wild:

::: spoiler transcript

twitter screenshot

part one is a post by Steve Yegge (@Steve_Yegge), reads: “This is going to come off as grumpy, but it needs to be said: Stop showing people your junk. Everyone can build junk with Al now. Nobody else wants to see your junk. We're not kindred spirits just because we both build junk. Play with your junk strictly in private. Thank you.”

part two is a reply by kitze ⚒️tinkerer.club (@thekitze), reads: “counterpoint: “, showing a link card that points at Yegge’s Gas Town post :::

dgerard@awful.systems · 12 pts · 1d (12 replies)
veganes_hack@awful.systems · 13 pts · 1d (8 replies)

didn't want to post this on mastodon, somebody else can do that i guess. if you look at the maintainer's youtube (which he links to himself on his website), you'll find a public playlist (archive) titled "history". contained are lots of recorded talks from such luminaries such as curtis yarvin, peter thiel, eric weinstein.

edit: the other playlists have some cool stuff as well

mawhrin@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d (6 replies)

thanks. telling.

mawhrin@awful.systems · 7 pts · 9h (5 replies)

also, used it to good effect.

corbin@awful.systems · 8 pts · 4h (3 replies)

He just started deleting playlists. I feel partially responsible, so I'm dumping the part of my notes that has all of the links to the videos that he favorited over the years. Sorry Justin, cowardice won't work.

  • Justin M. Keyes
    • GH
      • Berlin!?
    • neovim maintainer
      • original forker? has access to GH neovim org, at least
    • Coward: deletes evidence, refuses to talk, avoids confrontation
    • DHH fan; had to be pilloried in two GH issues ([deleted], 2) before removing a DHH endorsement from neovim
    • Youtube favorites from playlists include some bastards:
      • Scott Adams 1
      • Mel Gibson 1 (with Joe Rogan)
      • Sabine Hossenfelder 1 2
      • Balaji Srinivasan 1
      • Peter Thiel 1 2 (with Eric Weinstein) 3 4
      • Bret Weinstein 1
      • Eric Weinstein 1 (in a playlist called "history"!) 2
      • Curtis Yarvin 1 2 3 4 5 6
davidgerard@circumstances.run · 2 pts · 22m (2 replies)

@corbin @mawhrin one of the other neovim maintainers is a palantir employee, so uh yeah

librarysquirrel@sunny.garden · 2 pts · 18m (1 reply)

@davidgerard @corbin @mawhrin sorry WHAT??!? wow

davidgerard@circumstances.run · 1 pts · 1m

@librarysquirrel @corbin @mawhrin maria solano, it's right there on her github and all

corbin@awful.systems · 7 pts · 4h

I called him out and he deleted it. Confirmed as a fascist brat.

froztbyte@awful.systems · 6 pts · 16h

the one titled “interesting” (archive) also smells

sinedpick@awful.systems · 9 pts · 1d

emacs welcomes all refugees with open parentheses.

o7___o7@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d

A guy wishing on a monkey's paw for an emacs victory in the editor wars

jaschop@awful.systems · 4 pts · 15h

Shame noone mentioned Gram. Seems like it really deserves the attention.

I think I'll take my clues and abandon my attempts to build up a nvim/vim config. All I want is decent modal editing and LSP support without having to descend into plugin hell. Gram might do that for me.

gerikson@awful.systems · 11 pts · 4d (7 replies)

Here's someone who really does not know what they're talking about, because both alternatives sound absolutely horrible:

(it's how to build opinion against AI)

Basically the idea is to take nuclear vs. renewables as a model. Build a public movement that says one kind of tech (AI) is bad, and another kind of tech (what I'd call "human-potential technologies" - economically complementing humans rather than substituting for them - so stuff like genetic engineering, thought interfaces, pharmaceuticals, prosthetics etc) is good. So that researchers and investors get pushed away from the former and into the latter.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Ht4JZtxngKwuQ7cDC/tsvibt-s-shortform?commentId=n7uEsxcRzMhfJKcBW

maol@awful.systems · 10 pts · 4d (1 reply)

The movement against nuclear power was significantly helped along by the movement against nuclear weapons, which was particularly potent at the height of the cold war. AI freaks seem to hold a certain amount of contempt for the left? Which gets in the way of spreading their message. And in any event their message is "eugenics" which isn't likely to be received well on the left these days

YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems · 2 pts · 2d

It's also fascinating to see them use nuclear vs renewable energy as their case study given that renewable energy has been having a hell of a time properly replacing fossil fuels even though everyone mostly agrees it's a good idea. Like, whatever hypothetical advantagre they got from their opposition to the nuclear boogeyman (their idiotic framing, not mine), renewables have still been facing strong political and economic headwinds that are only being magnified by the unceasing growth in demand for electrical power (including but not exclusively driven by AI compute).

gerikson@awful.systems · 9 pts · 3d (2 replies)

OK so the "problem" these people (EAs) are facing is that they are strongly pro-"progress", in that they are very much against any sort of criticism of existing capitalism, but they have identified one specific outcome of this (rampant AI) as very very bad.

That, and only that.

Climate change? Not a problem. Technological neo-feudalism? Not a problem. Global thermonuclear war? Not a problem, will not kill everyone after all. Global pandemic? Same thing, what doesn't kill us will make us stronger.

So a reasonable person will look at current energy demands of GenAI, look at the existing benefits, and make the reasonable conclusion that this is bad and we should stop it. But that's WRONG. Stopping it for those reasons is anti-progress. You can only stop it if it prevents AI takeover.

Cf. smarm-meister Zvi, who can't understand why people don't want datacenters when they don't want coal plants slightly less, and cites fuckin' Cremieux as a lede:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/EDKw7KyonrvskqZ7o/the-american-people-really-hate-data-centers

Here's an example

Transmission Lines Are The Control Group

Transmission lines are straight up good, with approximately zero downsides.

Transmission lines polling remarkably close to coal plants, when the coal plants actively not only cook the planet but poison the people around them, is crazy. This one absolutely is straight up moral panic.

Well yeah transmission lines are fucking ugly, and most people, when asked if they want something fucking ugly built near them will say "heck no". Sure, imagining that transmissions lines cause cancer is false, but it's an easy thing to believe when the people building the lines are energy companies, who people hate because they're expensive and cause wildfires. Also I bet dollars to donuts that Zvi doesn't live near a transmission line.

He "knows" transmissions lines are good, because they get power to his home, and he figures because he wants power, it's good, and everyone should just be happy to have a high-voltage line near their home because that brings him power. It's remarkably un-empathetic.

But let's take a step back. Isn't opposition to data centers good for preventing AGI? NO, it's not, it's Luddism! You have to accept data centers because they are good for capitalism now, but IF they start to produce the Robot God, THEN they're bad.

It's an incoherent position and it's so fun to watch these people turn themselves into pretzels over it.

sc_griffith@awful.systems · 8 pts · 2d

zvi citing a self described "jewish nazi" almost right at the top is already impressive, but there's a chaser in that that guy's post starts with him saying he's being paid to write this by an ai company

istewart@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3d

Transmission lines are straight up good, with approximately zero downsides.

Dude hasn't been around. I've noticed quite a bit of anxiety around even terminal-supply transmission lines adjacent to new-build neighborhoods in wildfire risk zones. I'll agree that this is irrational; the big problem is people were persuaded to buy a house in a fire zone because a big landowner and a developer wanted to cash out some marginal land, but there is a degree of actual rationality here. People feel that a big, most likely the biggest, chunk of their personal wealth is at risk. Calling that "straight up moral panic" is ignoring how real people actually rationally calculate risks, and ignoring potential opportunities to help them improve, if that's really what you want to do.

But we already knew that Zvi was a disingenuous idiot, so I digress.

fullsquare@awful.systems · 8 pts · 4d

last time rationalists tried to touch medical field we got metamed

lurker@awful.systems · 7 pts · 4d

I mean there already is a thriving public movement which despises AI, don’t think you’ll be getting to those people if you start supporting eugenics

gerikson@awful.systems · 11 pts · 1d (3 replies)

As expected, bespoke twee "coding forge" Sourcehut has decided, like Codeberg, that LLM slop is not welcome. Just as expected, this has made the promptfondlers absolutely beside themselves, and they can't but help Streisanding the service on lobste.rs

https://lobste.rs/s/iqgrsx/changes_sourcehut_s_terms_service

N.B. Sourcehut is a paid service. The idea that a young naive open sourcer would just wander in, set up their repos and then be hounded out for innocently using Claude is ludicrous, but this is the best victim scenario SimonW and friends can come up with.

You'd think LLM enthusiasts would be content with just outcompeting everyone with their superior prompt engineering agentic coding harnesses but apparently time must be taken out from productivity to tell Drew DeVault he will never become Sergey Brin if he continues on this misguided path.

samvines@awful.systems · 11 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Between doing marketing for OpenAI and Anthropic whilst pretending to be "impartial" and wasting massive amounts of time and energy having clankers generate twee pictures of pelicans on bicycles, I thought SimonW would be too busy to even notice this story.

gerikson@awful.systems · 8 pts · 1d

He is responding to the Thiel-signal going up against the sky - there is anti-AI sentiment afoot!

gerikson@awful.systems · 8 pts · 10h

it's been a day and as expected some really shitty takes have surfaced among the comments

I especially enjoy the person stating they willingly paid money to Drew Devault and are surprised and upset he made decisions they disagree with.

(I respect Drew as a person but he's probably one of the most opinionated people online. To expect him to just take your money and cater to your every whim is... naive)

fnix@awful.systems · 10 pts · 3d (3 replies)

Mario Draghi, Italy’s (and the EU’s) éminence grise, Chicago boy Luis Garicano, and uh... Patrick Collison team up to overhaul Europe’s economy: https://www.rhinegroup.eu/

Other noteworthy members include noted investment-professional Leopold Aschenbrenner & Tobi Lütke, who may only be German-Canadian but is definitely no less a fashy techbro.

That Italy has been the west-European country most exposed to neoliberal medicine, ending up with a neo-fascist in power, seems to be no issue for deities like Draghi and the other assorted usual suspects here.

istewart@awful.systems · 8 pts · 3d

Patrick Collison

Boy this fella sure gets around. I'm sure he dutifully attends all the meetings, too; a high-level operator like him can't just be an open checkbook available to be bilked by any old troglodyte

sc_griffith@awful.systems · 6 pts · 2d

definitely want this guy to be an important part of overhauling europe's economy

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/07/30/leopold-aschenbrenners-hedge-fund-is-facing-steep-ai-losses.html

maol@awful.systems · 4 pts · 2d

The fucking Collisons again! I guess they've given up on building their own city in Northern California now they realise they can just awe politicians into giving them money and doing what they want.

The BT Young Scientist Competition was a mistake

Architeuthis@awful.systems · 10 pts · 4d (5 replies)

Start your week with a bsky thread of Behind the Bastards' Robert Evans discovering rationalist funded data center apologist and friend of the instance Andy Masley.

Bonus: the poll that is meant to show how much americans love tech companies conveniently leaves Meta out and is sourced from The Argument.

o7___o7@awful.systems · 5 pts · 4d (1 reply)

Evans is not having any of his bullshit lol

PS: the new Ill Conceived podcast about Aellacon is out today. I'm half-way in and it's a certified banger. I have enjoyed watching June and Josh's war on it (and Dana F.) with great pleasure.

Architeuthis@awful.systems · 9 pts · 4d

::: spoiler transcript Robert Evans (the Only Robert Evans) "Americans like two-day delivery but dislike being promised that a Robot God will render them Paupers Forever. The fickle whims of the median voter continue to perplex me." :::

dgerard@awful.systems · 4 pts · 4d (2 replies)

where's the rationalist smoking gun? or is that just The Argument?

Architeuthis@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d (1 reply)

He's not exactly hiding it:

https://andymasley.com/

dgerard@awful.systems · 5 pts · 4d

bup-pow!

CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 10 pts · 2d

I am going to create a summary post on MAPLE, but one of the open letters criticizing them has a section on COVID:

During a two-week retreat in 2022, COVID was moving through the community. It began with accommodations—interviews outdoors for ventilation, the sick practicing apart—but Soryu progressively mocked those who needed rest, admonished us for being deterred by “a tiny little cold,” and folded everyone back into the zendo regardless of who was sick. Interviews resumed in a 9x9 room with little ventilation while Soryu himself had COVID. Symptomatic, visibly fatigued people kept the full schedule on heavily reduced sleep.

I am shocked, shocked, that a TESCREAL community had bad COVID praxis after 2020!

nfultz@awful.systems · 10 pts · 1d (1 reply)

https://au.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/dr-dre-raekwon-ai-palantir-hip-hop-100251/

In another clip currently going viral online, Rick Rubin, supplier of quotes, declares that vibe coding is “the punk rock of software”, a description so limp in its countercultural authority that it felt as though it had itself been generated by an LLM.

lol

Rap’s mogul class appears equally enamoured with its supposed potential, repeatedly deploying “tool” as though the classification settles the argument. Dr. Dre compared the technology to the burgeoning slate of synthesisers and samplers at the dawn of hip-hop.

“I had a discussion with a few people a few days ago,” Dre said. “They were against A.I. and I’m like, ‘OK, you sound like the person that would have been against the drum machine when it came out.’ Or synthesisers, right? It’s a new tool for creativity.”

put up or shut up bro, name one good song that AI generated, just one. not that you've done much or anything noteworthy since the nineties. /s

Soyweiser@awful.systems · 7 pts · 1d

Drum machine? Autotune would be a better example

Rinn@awful.systems · 8 pts · 7h (2 replies)

I feel the need to scream into the void so here goes: my corpo job has certain execs that are very deep into the AI bs, and they've done a full tour of all the stages and iterations of AI hype, following all the new trendy tools because otherwise we'd surely be left behind 🫠

And the current somewhat new hotness is spec-driven development. I've tried it over the last few days since it looks like it'll be mandatory for larger work.

And boy. Boy oh boy.

There are no words in the English language to describe how much I hated it. There may be some ancient curses in R'lyiehian that would do it.

The Copilot mandates were bad enough, but honestly if this is an attempt to make me see the light and admit that in itself Copilot isn't that bad, then it's kinda working.

It's just... idk, I got into software dev because I like logic puzzles (and wanted the money, let's be real). I enjoy making a small thing and then slowly adding stuff to it. I do not enjoy sitting idly while the slopmachine writes a giant spec that I think I'm supposed to read and correct but can't because it's unreadable. It's like a textual white noise. It's pretending to describe a piece of software I want to make while actually describing all the steps of a ritual to summon an Elder God of anxious boredom and machine madness.

I think I'll be defining all of my work as small from now on.

sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems · 6 pts · 5h (1 reply)

I've never heard of this AI spec driven development, but I've had the displeasure of reading a few obviously AI generated design documents and they are worse than useless. I always end up more confused about what the author wants after reading them than before.

It is the worst and I want to retire.

Rinn@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3h

Spec-driven development is when you take these AI generated design docs and make it all you as a dev interact with. It's waterfall but make it stupid and AI.

You give AI some guidelines and a feature description, then you twiddle your thumbs while it generates giant specs and occasionally asks you for some inputs, then you attempt to read the thing, give up, and give it to some other agent. Rinse and repeat until you burn a GDP of a small country in tokens and the agents agree that it's going to work, and then you finally pull the lever and hopefully a feature matching all your specs appears. Or it doesn't! And if it didn't, it's surely your fault because you didn't give AI enough context.

I'm tired, boss.

BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 7 pts · 4d

On today's episode of AI Slop's Endless Fuckups: "Mastering Tf2 Custom War Paint: A Step-By-Step Creative Guide", an ostensible guide to creating custom War Paints (think something like weapon skins in Counter Strike: Global Offensive/Counter Strike 2, or character skins in Minecraft) for Team Fortress 2.

The opening has no obvious faults I can see, but the bulk of this slop article is about painting a real-life weapon, not creating a texture to be applied to an in-game weapon. Its the kind of mistake a human would never make.

EDIT: That slop guide's existence is getting on my nerves, so here's a basic War Paint guide I found on Steam

CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3d (2 replies)

MAPLE sounds kind of Maoist or like a printed-out email about an atheist professor on a fundamentalist church's pinboard:

In the late spring of the 15th year of training at Monastic Academy (MAPLE), a writer named Sam Kriss came to MAPLE. In the last hours of his visit, Soryu Forall guided the community in a workshop on mindful decision making.

Mid-way through the workshop, Sam Kriss shifted the topic of focus from decision making to structures of domination, e.g. hierarchies, with a particular emphasis given to the lens of Marxism. He asked: “What creates mechanisms of domination?” and “In environments [e.g. MAPLE] where people are trying to clear out the attachment to thinking, are there fewer structures of domination?”

To the first question, the community answered: “Attachment to thinking.” Vimoksha engaged with Sam in detail on this to open a way for him to see how structures of domination are caused by mind.

To the second question, the community answered: “There are fewer structures of domination here than in the mainstream.”

As these points were made and as Sam Kriss was beginning to engage with the points more directly, the community sat in agreement and clarity, happy with these teachings.

As these points were made, I felt a sense of appreciation and celebration for this community of leader-sages-in-training.

Kriss, who is British, has interviewed Rationalists and is the kind of loud feminist whose Wikipedia page would have a section titled "sexual assault allegations" if he had one. It is possible that MAPLE and LessWrong evolved independently but I have a feeling that Soryu is leaving out some lines from his intellectual CV.

Edit / the chela who published a parody video about the abuse allegations wrote "I spent years moving through the communities that publicly claim to be addressing the destruction of life on Earth and the disconnection between people. I spent time in Silicon Valley, in effective altruism, and in adjacent rationalist and existential-risk circles, starting companies and consulting and looking for the place where these problems were being met at the root." The chela is an Internal Family Systems coach which was popular at CFAR. Last two links are to YouTube.

istewart@awful.systems · 9 pts · 3d (1 reply)

Good lord it's a wannabe advertising executive trying to write a Zen fable

In the late spring of the 15th year of training at Monastic Academy (MAPLE)

You came up with your own calendar system centered around your institution and you want to tell me you're not a cult???

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lurker@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d (1 reply)
BioMan@awful.systems · 12 pts · 3d

I would prefer they turn them off

CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 5 pts · 4d (17 replies)

Buddhist Rationalist cult MAPLE wants the Internet to know that contrary to "a recent social media post" their guru Soryu Forall is authorized to teach by "by well-known teachers of the Vipassana and Zen traditions." They mention a few whoopsies.

At another time, while Soryu was away traveling, the leadership team tried to convert the entire organization away from Buddhism. When Soryu returned, he saw this and told the leaders that if they wanted to go in this direction, they could, and that he would go do something else. They were unwilling to take on the financial responsibility of the organization and refused the offer.

They could be responding to The High Control Dynamics at MAPLE (2026) or perhaps Emerging: Making Sense of Soryu Forall (2026) or even My experience inside Soryu Forall's AI-Centered Monastic Academy (2025)

Aella does her boundary-setting thing (those Zizians/MAPLE/Leverage/Brent Dill are bad and not us) https://xcancel.com/Aella_Girl/status/2091015022042595743#m I don't think Ozy covered MAPLE although IIRC they had a Bay Area offshoot with offices nextdoor to Leverage. I would like to know who is funding Soryu.

BioMan@awful.systems · 8 pts · 4d (8 replies)

I think the only cult type that Yud hasn't spun off yet is fundamentalist Christian.

cstross@wandering.shop · 13 pts · 4d (4 replies)

@BioMan @techtakes But singularitarians *are* fundamentalist Christians, just a heretical variety who ditched the god/jesus/bible bits but kept the rest of the eschatalogical structures intact.

BioMan@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d

I mean, true, but that's true of most secular cults in America and Europe.

CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 6 pts · 4d (2 replies)

And they think that Computer Jesus will return soon and punish the wicked and reward the faithful. I wonder what Yud's parents' rabbi thinks of all this.

cstross@wandering.shop · 9 pts · 4d (1 reply)

@CinnasVerses @techtakes And don't get me started on Roko's Basilisk (the singularitarian remix of Calvinist Satan, complete with theological predeterminism and eternal damnation for the non-elect).

lurker@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3d

somewhere Blaise Pascal is shaking his fist in his grave

istewart@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3d

That slot will probably be filled by whatever moneyed post-Trump US Southern snake-fondlers Thiel manages to bilk with his Antichrist bullshit. And therefore not likely large or long-lasting

nfultz@awful.systems · 4 pts · 4d (1 reply)

There were some breadcrumbs in that Wes streeting article about https://www.eaforchristians.org/ but I couldn't get a sense of how fundie they may be.

BioMan@awful.systems · 3 pts · 3d

tim taylor voice Oh no...

CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 7 pts · 4d

Has anyone researched exactly how MAPLE split off from Bay Area rationalism? Most of the writeups focus on what happened after they built a giant compound in Vermont, not why so many rats travel there.

They seem to have launched in one small Vermont township in 2014 ("3 Years of Training Awakened Leaders " as of 2017). They moved from Johnson, VT to Lowell, VT at some point.

Edit / Some history here but nothing on the LessWrong connection except something called the 1440 Foundation in California https://www.centerformindfullearning.org/history/

Edit / Local journalism delivers

The people making these machines are listening. According to a 2023 profile of Forall in The Atlantic, he provides spiritual advice to A.I. thinkers, hosting talks and retreats for researchers and developers at leading artificial intelligence engineering hubs like OpenAI, Google DeepMind and Apple.

MAPLE has also grown, with expansion efforts under similar acronyms formed under the umbrella of Community for the Experience and Development of Awakening and Responsibility, or CEDAR, like its OAK offshoot in Berkeley, Calif., and Willow intensive in Canada.

The Center for Mindful Learning, the parent corporation of MAPLE and its affiliates, controls $3.65 million in assets, according to 2023 tax filings, and brought in nearly a million in revenue each year between 2020 and 2023 thanks to donations from individuals in the West Coast tech industry.

Their Form 990 is here but does not have details of the donors. So it sounds like they have a single guru with wealthy patrons.

ivyastrix@awful.systems · 5 pts · 3d (6 replies)

there was a public post/callout posted about aella some time ago that said she had some part in hurting MAPLE's credibility / position in the community, it still is perplexing the most rational and enlightened humans in the world don't see their argument is basically it's cool when we do it

CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 4 pts · 3d (5 replies)

Yes, it sounds like Aella has called out some abusers but not acknowledged that abuse and manipulation are central to the LessWrong / EA project. Soryu sounds like a more disciplined, less horny version of Yudkowsky (he got a degree and spent years at a Buddhist temple, but still meditates and reads pop science books to understand Scary AI).

blakestacey@awful.systems · 7 pts · 3d (4 replies)

a more disciplined, less horny version of Yudkowsky

error, error, does not compute

CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 6 pts · 3d (2 replies)

Imagine a Victorian curate beating the village schoolboys, driving his charwoman mad, and pottering about the local antiquarian society with essays about faeries or the customs of India which he has never visited.

Forall is not, by any means, a coder who understands AI at the zeros-and-ones level; he does not have a detailed familiarity with large language models or algorithmic design. I asked him whether he had used some of the popular new AI gadgets, such as ChatGPT and Midjourney. He had tried one chatbot. ... When I asked whom he looks to or reads in order to understand AI, he at first, deadpan, answered, “the Buddha.” He then clarified that he also likes the work of the best-selling historian Yuval Noah Harari and a number of prominent ethical-tech folks, among them Zak Stein and Tristan Harris. And he is spending his life ruminating on AI’s risks, which he sees as far from banal.

Architeuthis@awful.systems · 8 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Forall ...

Never seen a gullibility filter in the form of eyebrows before:

o7___o7@awful.systems · 4 pts · 2d

You may be on to something with the eyebrow heuristic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_A._Aquino

Michael Aquino, natsec goon, unfun satanism guy, and eyebrow enthusiast.

CinnasVerses@awful.systems · 4 pts · 3d

Correction: a woman who said she was raped by a MAPLE / OAK executive says that:

since this letter was published it has been reported that, Soryu Forall, the Monastic Academy’s main teacher and “guru” has begun to openly engage in sexual and romantic relationships with his students and former students.

That sounds a lot like Yud in the 2010s.

e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 1h (1 reply)

Well we now have a horrifying example on why you shouldn't get involved in fashtech. Artist a former maintainer of Artix Linux spent considerable effort on getting Xlibre into a usable state and when fixing their numerous bugs became too much they recommended switching back to Xorg. That didn't sit well with the developers of Xlibre and they started to harass the Artix maintainer until they quit the team.

mawhrin@awful.systems · 1 pts · 29m

oh the infighting!

nfultz@awful.systems · 4 pts · 4h

Maybe this is just me being slow to put things together, but why exactly is that startup for AI cheating overlay for zoom job interviews now putting out workplace / startup humor shorts? They seem to have paid a host of clippers too. Ling Long is everywhere. Did the AI thing not work out for cluely?

eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmLOORRGW4U

BlueMonday1984@awful.systems · 4 pts · 5h (1 reply)

New Baldur Bjarnason, looking back on the blog's history, and lamenting the death of web development.

jaschop@awful.systems · 4 pts · 4h

I like the notion of pulling together people who are alienated by AI (or late-stage capitalism bullshit in general). I really have an indie web project to launch, once I've scored a new job, which sounds more unlikely than ever after this read.

o7___o7@awful.systems · 1 pts · 1d
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