Thanks for the headsup. Signed it and passed it on to a few friends who also care about this stuff.
I'm not inherently against the EU providing a means to verify age and/or identity online, but the legal framework proposed by this Citizen's Initiative seems entirely reasonable, and even preferable, to me.
Edit: I do find it a bit funny that I signed a petition about online ID checks using my country's e-ID.
e-ID isn't mandatory (it's not even available in every country), but the form should be filled in with correct personal information.
They will need to verify whether the people who filled in the form are actual people who are eligible to sign the citizens' initiative.
Using e-ID just makes the whole verification easier for everyone.
Since there are requirements for the European Parliament to address the concerns, they need a way to verify that the signatures are actually real and match to EU citizens.
They need some way to prevent spam which would make this democratic tool meaningless.
Citizens must not be forced to identify themselves to access lawful online content or services unless strictly necessary, proportionate and provided by law.
I would argue in this case e-ID verification (or other verification of identity) is necessary and proportionate.
Given that this is part of the legislative process, and there is legal requirements for European Parliament to adhere to if the Citizen's Initiative meets the threshold, I would argue that signing the petition has a similar weight to casting a ballot in an election.
Just like how you need to verify in an election that someone is legally allowed to vote in that election, this petition needs to verify whether someone is legally allowed to sign the petition.
If there was no verification of identity, hypothetically someone could fill the platform with junk petitions, which could all be signed by a bunch of Russian bots. It would completely undermine the democratic process.
So yes, I do believe identity verification is "strictly necessary" in this case
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Humanius@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 13d
Thanks for the headsup. Signed it and passed it on to a few friends who also care about this stuff.
I'm not inherently against the EU providing a means to verify age and/or identity online, but the legal framework proposed by this Citizen's Initiative seems entirely reasonable, and even preferable, to me.
Edit: I do find it a bit funny that I signed a petition about online ID checks using my country's e-ID.
baconmonsta@piefed.social · 3 pts · 13d
e-ID wasn't mandatory, was it? I was able to sign with just filling the form
Humanius@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13d
e-ID isn't mandatory (it's not even available in every country), but the form should be filled in with correct personal information.
They will need to verify whether the people who filled in the form are actual people who are eligible to sign the citizens' initiative.
Using e-ID just makes the whole verification easier for everyone.
Shayeta@feddit.org · 2 pts · 12d
Depends on the country of origin.
pilaz@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 12d
Hopefully you'll one day reach your goal of having to send physical mail to sign online petitions.
Humanius@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 12d
I'll bite.. Why would that be my goal?
orenishii@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 13d
Signed
maam@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 14d
Look at chad finland at 6.36% threshold met. Not only do they defend Europe militarily but also digitally.
ipp0@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 8d
I hate uploading selfies and pictures of my ID to prove my age online. I would much prefer the age verification system that the EU is building.
jdr@lemmy.ml · -5 pts · 13d
And then you have to give all your data to sign it?
Humanius@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 13d
That's just how these Citizen's Initiatives work.
Since there are requirements for the European Parliament to address the concerns, they need a way to verify that the signatures are actually real and match to EU citizens.
They need some way to prevent spam which would make this democratic tool meaningless.
jdr@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 13d
Humanius@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13d
As the Citizen's Initiative says:
I would argue in this case e-ID verification (or other verification of identity) is necessary and proportionate.
jdr@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 13d
Is it really "strictly necessary"?
(I also wasn't given the opportunity to use my e-ID, only to fill out my address)
Humanius@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 13d
Given that this is part of the legislative process, and there is legal requirements for European Parliament to adhere to if the Citizen's Initiative meets the threshold, I would argue that signing the petition has a similar weight to casting a ballot in an election.
Just like how you need to verify in an election that someone is legally allowed to vote in that election, this petition needs to verify whether someone is legally allowed to sign the petition.
If there was no verification of identity, hypothetically someone could fill the platform with junk petitions, which could all be signed by a bunch of Russian bots. It would completely undermine the democratic process.
So yes, I do believe identity verification is "strictly necessary" in this case
orenishii@feddit.nl · 6 pts · 13d
Small price to pay. At least it’s not some random company.
lyralycan@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 13d
Right? I don't trust my country's sketchy ass government but I trust the EU one