I'm not sure I agree that Void is a bottom type. If so, void-functions would never be able to return/terminate. Java's void is probably more of a unit type.
It's not possible to instantiate or assign, which is more like a never type than a unit; and it is not possible to define new types with the same properties, which is also more like bottom than unit. But you're right that it's not actually a true never type since it can't represent function divergence.
I think the truth is just that Java's type system isn't very mathematically disciplined.
It's not possible to instantiate or assign, which is more like a never type than a unit
Actually, this is because void is not a type, it is just a keyword, a placeholder used instead of the return type when a function doesn't return anything.
If it were a bottom type, that would mean that a method returning void must diverge, which is simply not true.
Also, if it were a bottom type, it would be possible to write an "unreachable" method
void unreachable(void bottom) {
return bottom;
}
Even though it couldn't be called, it should be possible to define it, if void was a bottom type. But it is not, because void isn't a bottom type, it's no type at all.
The post has been edited; it looks like someone on reddit made essentially the same point. You're right of course that void isn't a true type in Java, but the post now also discusses Void, which I suppose just shows how void infects the type system despite not being a type.
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igorlogius@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 3y
PortugalSpaceMoon@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 3y
I'm not sure I agree that Void is a bottom type. If so, void-functions would never be able to return/terminate. Java's void is probably more of a unit type.
BatmanAoD@programming.dev · 4 pts · 3y
They allude to this later, acknowledging that it's sort of a cross between unit and bottom.
aloso@programming.dev · 4 pts · 3y
No it's not, it is 100% a unit type (except it's not really a type, since you can only use it as return type and nowhere else)
BatmanAoD@programming.dev · 5 pts · 3y
It's not possible to instantiate or assign, which is more like a never type than a unit; and it is not possible to define new types with the same properties, which is also more like bottom than unit. But you're right that it's not actually a true never type since it can't represent function divergence.
I think the truth is just that Java's type system isn't very mathematically disciplined.
aloso@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3y
Actually, this is because
voidis not a type, it is just a keyword, a placeholder used instead of the return type when a function doesn't return anything.If it were a bottom type, that would mean that a method returning
voidmust diverge, which is simply not true.Also, if it were a bottom type, it would be possible to write an "unreachable" method
Even though it couldn't be called, it should be possible to define it, if
voidwas a bottom type. But it is not, becausevoidisn't a bottom type, it's no type at all.BatmanAoD@programming.dev · 1 pts · 2y
The post has been edited; it looks like someone on reddit made essentially the same point. You're right of course that
voidisn't a true type in Java, but the post now also discusses Void, which I suppose just shows how void infects the type system despite not being a type.solrize@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3y
It's nice that Java has gotten those features but the article is pretty confused about type theory.
TheCee@programming.dev · 5 pts · 3y
It'll probably take Valhalla for me, personally.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3y
When did you start liking it?