Labour falls under 26% – one bad poll or time to change course?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z22hbRr-DNY

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rimu@piefed.social · 9 pts · 13d (4 replies)
  1. It's a TPU poll. I stopped watching as soon as he said that.
  2. If some Labour voters switch to other parties in the left bloc that makes no difference overall. Maybe that's what's happening, I don't know :)
AWOL_muppet@lemmy.nz · 6 pts · 13d (2 replies)

TPU have been caught in the past with skewed and misleading questions.

To be fair, that's probably valid for all of the pollsters? But being aligned with the right wing crew certainly seems like its a non-credible result

absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz · 8 pts · 13d (1 reply)

TPU are not trustworthy.

It was a surprise when Opportunity got 6.1% in their last poll, this time around back to 4.5%.

Reid research and Talbot mills are the ones that are trusted the most.

MadPsyentist@lemmy.nz · 7 pts · 12d

The TPU are a right leaning "think tank" trying to skew views in whatever way they think they can. It is best to ignore them entierly or at lest view everything they say with the eye of "how does this help National or Act or Winston First"

Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 12d

They seem to be losing a lot of support to Green and Opportunity, but the bloc as a whole is growing very slowly.

It seems at this point that most people have made up their mind the general direction they're voting in, and are swapping between parties.

BaconWrappedEnigma@lemmy.nz · 6 pts · 13d (4 replies)

I really wish Labour would see that the electorate has figured out that neoliberal policies don't make our lives better. They are in the perfect position to lead us through the changes that are coming. Their refusal to acknowledge the need for structural change reminds me of the impotence of the American democrats.

The old tricks aren't working anymore. They need to reinvent themselves based on what the Millenials and later actually want. Basically: stop robbing young people and giving it to the retirees.

Sorry for the rant. It's just frustrating to watch.

Fizz@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 12d (3 replies)

True. Labour should stop presenting a policy platform that fits within budget and just give themselves and infinite budget like the greens. People dont want realistic they want simple solutions to complex issues. They dont want to try get the most good out of a finite budget they want endless deficit spending.

Labour should promise to fix isreal/Palestine, end the war in ukraine solve racism and give everyone a free house.

BaconWrappedEnigma@lemmy.nz · 2 pts · 11d (2 replies)

I'd be happy with saving ~$3b a year by means testing super.

While they are at it they could remove the landlords' interest deductions to save another ~$2b.

Perhaps we could spend this money of paying nurses enough so they want to stay here instead of move to Oz.

Please see rule #1.

Fizz@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 11d (1 reply)

Changing super requires a ton of political capital that no party has or is willing to spend. Ultimately it needs to be done but its not something to be done on the campaign trail.

Labour did phase out the landlord interest deduction last time they were in. It wouldnt be crazy to assume they wouldnt do it again. I think they are holding off on giving their stance on this because its not close enough to the election.

They could but they can't do everything. Labour doesnt campaign on an infinite budget like the greens. We are in a crisis with no end in sight and Nurse pay is already good, 80k start up to 160k is fine. If thats not enough they can go to aus we can get overseas nurses. There is more pressing things to spend money on.

BaconWrappedEnigma@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 5d

They could but they can’t do everything.

My point is that they aren't doing anything. In my first post I used the word "impotence". They have lost the ability to lead. There is a power vacuum being slurped up by the 3rd parties. If Labour doesn't reinvent itself and actually do something then they risk being relegated to the periphery. Super easy starting point: Shift the tax burden from productive to non-productive.

This is so frustrating because it seems like their neoliberal core prevents them from doing very rational things that would benefit their base. They have the research and just choose to ignore it.

When something doesn't make sense like this then some potential options are incompetence and ... what else?