One one hand, if you look at the following image (which takes place just before the ones above) they're both in midair, and as you show above they both touch down outside the ring, Hakunofuji touching down first.
On the other hand, this situation is more due to Hakunofuji's push-out than Aonishiki's push-down, so it's due to Hakunofuji's "superior technique" in dead-body-rule terms.
So I think the call was right. But it looks like there wasn't even a review, even though gyoji seemed momentarily unsure. A review followed by a re-match would have been reasonable too.
Lol yeah. I think Shishi was working on keeping his center of gravity low, which he did pretty well this bout.
Realistically, Big Sheesh is gonna top out at Wakamotoharu levels of career success (if that), so the fact that he makes Wakamotoharu really work for the win is a good sign.
Me, I know MMA kinda-okay, and it even once saved my life when I was coming back to my apartment, half-intoxicated, and some kids tried to jump me, but I'm just a skinny little nobody.
I got bruised-up a bit, but the kids... that made me feel bad. Next day I had bloody knuckles and everyone was congratulating me on social media, but... to be in that situation, attacking strangers... what have we come to?
(of course, everyone thought I was a total freak for trying to understand my attackers)
Huh, Judo & BJJ are just... next level to me.
I got minimally trained upon wrestling, and it worked out for me that night, oof.
Rant time-- I absolutely despise Dana White & the UFC, but the UFC's actual matches across history are truly fascinating. A wild matchup of styles & fights, going back to the actual founders. (i.e. not White & cronies)
Glad you survived tho!
Thank you.
I'm a half-Latino who looks pale as the driven-snow in colder months (my mom), and then ruddy as a bronzed-savage in summer months (my dad).
For my part, I somehow related to my African-American attackers (plus my fists) that night, and they wound up backing off. I bloody well had NO idea I had that in me, and again, I felt... bad for the kids (they were actually bigger than me, but had little plan or technique).
There's a lot that can happen. Sumo's got throws and trips like judo. Armlocks like BJJ. Shoves like American Football. It's all about balance and force. The really top guys are strong, nimble, and creative.
I think I'm like most dumbass Americans in conceptualising Sumo as "just a bunch of fat guys bouncing off each other until one a them falls out the ring, haha."
But in reality, yeah, those guys are actually thunderous powerhouses of muscle and technique, from what I understand. I've read here and there about what makes for a sumōtori, and it's... gosh, almost like living upon a different planet. Almost.
Not sure if the thread I posted didn't show up until later but here's the comments I put up:
Asasuiryu leads off the division with a relatively rare two-on-one katasukashi shoulder pull down.
Tobizaru does a bit of a fake out stutter step tachiai against Shonannoumi but he’s not fooled and goes for a slap down before getting a left underhook to prevent the Monkey’s belt grip. After a weak throw attempt Tobi finds the right overhand belt and works circles until Shonan stumbles and collapses.
Good back and forth with Asakoryu and Toshinofuji until the latter uses an overhand right to drag Asa back and off his feet to the ground. Monoii called to check Toshi’s foot positioning during the throw (I think) but the decision stands for him.
After Tokihayate’s false start Abi comes out with a nodowa but gets parried to the bales where he unleashes a barrage of face and throat tsuppari and takes Toki across the ring and out.
Chiyoshoma debuts the first of the day’s henka against Asahakuryu.
Shishi and Wakamotoharu have a bit of a slow tachiai that turns into a tsuppari thrusting battle before WMH locks up over unders with an underhand left. Shishi can only get one hand on and WMH takes him to the straw and falling backwards off the ring.
Head to head smashing tachiai between Oho and Takerufuji who ends up circled to the bales first but comes back with a beltless drive across the ring where Oho tries a final underhook throw and hangs on for a moment before Take shoves him out.
Good initial impact and tsuppari between Fujiseiun and Hiradoumi until Hira quickly recognizes an opportunity for a tsukiotoshi slap down.
Ura goes for his low tachiai against Nishikifuji who meets the charge and keeps up the tsuppari pressure until Ura creates a bit of space with a parry and charges forward to get his thrust out.
Ichiyamamoto has good thrust game off the lines but Roga finds a right underhook throw against the tawara that slips Ichi past and Roga finishes with a yorikiri.
Oshoma hangs on well with his feet on the straw so Asanoyama eventually gives up shoving and pivots to win with an overarm throw.
Takanosho keeps up some good tsuppari but Churanoumi bears the brunt and continues circling until he slips inside for an underarm left grip and drives Taka out.
Daieisho comes out with nodowa but is unable to move Yoshinofuji from the center and they have a tsuppari fight until Daiei’s parry sends Yoshi stumbling and he’s finished off with a shove and sent flying off the dohyo.
Atamifuji and Fujiryoga grunt and beltlessly lean against each other for awhile until Atami’s right underhook throw shifts Fuji’s weight enough to start a drive that takes him out.
Kotoshoho denies Fujinokawa’s tachiai and blocks his arms long enough to drive him off the ring as he himself falls to the dirt.
Hakunofuji’s tachiai blasts through Aonishiki who gets driven to the straw but his right underarm is enough to shift Hakuno enough to circle back inside. They go chest to chest and Aoni finds a weak underhand left grip that he tries to throw with but Hakuno drives him back and Aoni leaps off the dohyo as Hakuno hits the clay. Gyoji hesitates and points the fan to Hakuno, giving Aoni his first loss.
Gonoyama manages to move Kotozakura back off the lines but the ozeki circles and slaps Gono down.
Kirishima decides an inside left isn’t enough and digs his right inside as Kotoeiho charges, halted by Kiri’s right underhook throw. He circles back to the center and drives Koto out.
Massive tachiai impact sound echoes as Takayasu and Onosato slam chest to chest. Taka follows up with tsuppari and the yokozuna retreats circling and parries as he comes to the tawara but Papa recovers staggering just before stepping out while Ono goes reeling to collapse off the ring and Takayasu picks up a kinboshi.
Not sure if the thread I posted didn’t show up until later
yeah looks like there was some federation problems, that thread hasn't made it to piefed.social yet but looks like someone "forced federation" on lemmy.world by searching for the URL there.
17 Comments
merde@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 6d
Hakunofuji - Aonishiki deserved at least a rematch, if it wasn't obvious that H. hit the floor before A.
Sergio@piefed.social · 4 pts · 6d
Yeah, it's that "Dead Body Rule": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shini-tai which is about as popular as the "offsides" rule in football.
One one hand, if you look at the following image (which takes place just before the ones above) they're both in midair, and as you show above they both touch down outside the ring, Hakunofuji touching down first.
On the other hand, this situation is more due to Hakunofuji's push-out than Aonishiki's push-down, so it's due to Hakunofuji's "superior technique" in dead-body-rule terms.
So I think the call was right. But it looks like there wasn't even a review, even though gyoji seemed momentarily unsure. A review followed by a re-match would have been reasonable too.
merde@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 6d
loved how Wakamotoharu pauses a moment to look at what Shishi is doing while S. is attacking blindly :)
Sergio@piefed.social · 4 pts · 6d
Lol yeah. I think Shishi was working on keeping his center of gravity low, which he did pretty well this bout.
Realistically, Big Sheesh is gonna top out at Wakamotoharu levels of career success (if that), so the fact that he makes Wakamotoharu really work for the win is a good sign.
oh yeah @JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social this is your "David vs Goliath" match of the day: https://youtu.be/9ZMMMY9aY3I?t=477
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 2 pts · 6d
Ah, Sergio, thank you.
Me, I know MMA kinda-okay, and it even once saved my life when I was coming back to my apartment, half-intoxicated, and some kids tried to jump me, but I'm just a skinny little nobody.
I got bruised-up a bit, but the kids... that made me feel bad. Next day I had bloody knuckles and everyone was congratulating me on social media, but... to be in that situation, attacking strangers... what have we come to?
(of course, everyone thought I was a total freak for trying to understand my attackers)
Sergio@piefed.social · 2 pts · 6d
That's so awesome, I'm hoping to sneak a year of BJJ in before I'm too old and frail, then it's back to low-impact Shotokan I guess.
At least they weren't carrying guns like so many folks these days. Glad you survived tho!
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 2 pts · 6d
Huh, Judo & BJJ are just... next level to me.
I got minimally trained upon wrestling, and it worked out for me that night, oof.
Rant time-- I absolutely despise Dana White & the UFC, but the UFC's actual matches across history are truly fascinating. A wild matchup of styles & fights, going back to the actual founders. (i.e. not White & cronies)
I'm a half-Latino who looks pale as the driven-snow in colder months (my mom), and then ruddy as a bronzed-savage in summer months (my dad).
For my part, I somehow related to my African-American attackers (plus my fists) that night, and they wound up backing off. I bloody well had NO idea I had that in me, and again, I felt... bad for the kids (they were actually bigger than me, but had little plan or technique).
Sergio@piefed.social · 2 pts · 6d
oh yeah same lel. I cheer for one sumotori who kinda looks like my white uncle, and another sumotori who kinda looks like my latino grandfather!
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 1 pts · 6d
Aha, I guess I know where you're from.
I would ❤️ to visit one day, except I'm kind of a cripple, at this point.
But we all have dreams. We all have dreams...
merde@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 6d
Takayasu & Onosato presents the Air Sumo: How to win without touching!
Sergio@piefed.social · 3 pts · 6d
Takayasu's tsuppari punches are apparently so powerful that they're "delayed action"!
I think that Takayasu gets a kinboshi bonus for that bout. Because he's currently a Maegashira and defeated a Yokozuna.
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 3 pts · 6d
One of the things I've never really understood upon Sumo Fighting is-- what...?
At times, it feels amazing, satisfying, "this is how it goes." But at other times...?
Sergio@piefed.social · 2 pts · 5d
There's a lot that can happen. Sumo's got throws and trips like judo. Armlocks like BJJ. Shoves like American Football. It's all about balance and force. The really top guys are strong, nimble, and creative.
JohnnyEnzyme@piefed.social · 2 pts · 5d
I think I'm like most dumbass Americans in conceptualising Sumo as "just a bunch of fat guys bouncing off each other until one a them falls out the ring, haha."
But in reality, yeah, those guys are actually thunderous powerhouses of muscle and technique, from what I understand. I've read here and there about what makes for a sumōtori, and it's... gosh, almost like living upon a different planet. Almost.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 5d
Not sure if the thread I posted didn't show up until later but here's the comments I put up:
Asasuiryu leads off the division with a relatively rare two-on-one katasukashi shoulder pull down.
Tobizaru does a bit of a fake out stutter step tachiai against Shonannoumi but he’s not fooled and goes for a slap down before getting a left underhook to prevent the Monkey’s belt grip. After a weak throw attempt Tobi finds the right overhand belt and works circles until Shonan stumbles and collapses.
Good back and forth with Asakoryu and Toshinofuji until the latter uses an overhand right to drag Asa back and off his feet to the ground. Monoii called to check Toshi’s foot positioning during the throw (I think) but the decision stands for him.
After Tokihayate’s false start Abi comes out with a nodowa but gets parried to the bales where he unleashes a barrage of face and throat tsuppari and takes Toki across the ring and out.
Chiyoshoma debuts the first of the day’s henka against Asahakuryu.
Shishi and Wakamotoharu have a bit of a slow tachiai that turns into a tsuppari thrusting battle before WMH locks up over unders with an underhand left. Shishi can only get one hand on and WMH takes him to the straw and falling backwards off the ring.
Head to head smashing tachiai between Oho and Takerufuji who ends up circled to the bales first but comes back with a beltless drive across the ring where Oho tries a final underhook throw and hangs on for a moment before Take shoves him out.
Good initial impact and tsuppari between Fujiseiun and Hiradoumi until Hira quickly recognizes an opportunity for a tsukiotoshi slap down.
Ura goes for his low tachiai against Nishikifuji who meets the charge and keeps up the tsuppari pressure until Ura creates a bit of space with a parry and charges forward to get his thrust out.
Ichiyamamoto has good thrust game off the lines but Roga finds a right underhook throw against the tawara that slips Ichi past and Roga finishes with a yorikiri.
Oshoma hangs on well with his feet on the straw so Asanoyama eventually gives up shoving and pivots to win with an overarm throw.
Takanosho keeps up some good tsuppari but Churanoumi bears the brunt and continues circling until he slips inside for an underarm left grip and drives Taka out.
Daieisho comes out with nodowa but is unable to move Yoshinofuji from the center and they have a tsuppari fight until Daiei’s parry sends Yoshi stumbling and he’s finished off with a shove and sent flying off the dohyo.
Atamifuji and Fujiryoga grunt and beltlessly lean against each other for awhile until Atami’s right underhook throw shifts Fuji’s weight enough to start a drive that takes him out.
Kotoshoho denies Fujinokawa’s tachiai and blocks his arms long enough to drive him off the ring as he himself falls to the dirt.
Hakunofuji’s tachiai blasts through Aonishiki who gets driven to the straw but his right underarm is enough to shift Hakuno enough to circle back inside. They go chest to chest and Aoni finds a weak underhand left grip that he tries to throw with but Hakuno drives him back and Aoni leaps off the dohyo as Hakuno hits the clay. Gyoji hesitates and points the fan to Hakuno, giving Aoni his first loss.
Gonoyama manages to move Kotozakura back off the lines but the ozeki circles and slaps Gono down.
Kirishima decides an inside left isn’t enough and digs his right inside as Kotoeiho charges, halted by Kiri’s right underhook throw. He circles back to the center and drives Koto out.
Massive tachiai impact sound echoes as Takayasu and Onosato slam chest to chest. Taka follows up with tsuppari and the yokozuna retreats circling and parries as he comes to the tawara but Papa recovers staggering just before stepping out while Ono goes reeling to collapse off the ring and Takayasu picks up a kinboshi.
merde@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5d
yesterday was indeed a lot more interesting than today
Sergio@piefed.social · 2 pts · 5d
yeah looks like there was some federation problems, that thread hasn't made it to piefed.social yet but looks like someone "forced federation" on lemmy.world by searching for the URL there.