I don't see why they would use AI instead of picking an appropriate image or making something quick in Gimp or paint, it just makes me not want to be part of those communities.
I don't see why they would use AI instead of picking an appropriate image or making something quick in Gimp or paint, it just makes me not want to be part of those communities.
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schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 2h
My instance, sh.itjust.works, just went through this.
It got started before the turn against AI art and before people could easily recognize the AI art style. I think the admin had a competition, and an AI-generated lemming won.
Having been a recent member, I always thought it was incongruous that I'd bitch about AI on this server while the AI-generated lemming was smiling at me from the homepage sidebar.
I proposed someone draw a new icon, and the admin set up a competition with no ban on AI-generated images. Last I checked, the leader in the race was AI-generated with the majority of human-drawn stuff being explicitly low-effort placeholders. I haven't had the heart to check into that thread since I voted for the best human-drawn piece of art (which was a true second to the AI icon in my heart), though I see its exploded in comments, so I imagine there is a fierce war raging.
So from this, a few possibilities:
a) People don't like working for free. You'd think, from all the jibber jabber, that there are all these artists just willing to contribute to community projects, but maybe there there is not.
or
b) People don't like competitions. I wouldn't want to work for free for a CHANCE at contributing for a rinky-dink lemmy. I'd rather talk to the sysadmin about what they want, what I think I can offer, and go from there, with the confidence that this concept--which is not mine--will be put into circulation.
or
c) People don't like competing with AI. Imagine you spent hours drawing something and you get beat by a prompt generated in a few minutes. I'd be pissed, and I'd want to avoid feeling that way, so I'd avoid competition where AI is allowed.
c2) AI probably has an edge in open competition because it will be blandly familiar to the average uninterested voter.
or
d) Artists might not want to contribute to server that already has an AI banner and is running a competition without an AI ban because why would they volunteer to support a server that is not supporting them?
lilith267@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 1h
A HUGE part people dont talk about is how artists will not draw anything for their community unless they are directly a higher up member of that community. Not that there isnt exceptions, but with the modern commission mindset people see every public art as a transaction. Every art community ive tried to join has always had problems with even art trades, people citing the other persons art isnt "good enough" to be a worthwhile trade. Instead of seeing it as free practice or just doing something nice
Obviously there are exceptions, and if anyone knows of any communitys, matrix/discord servers, etc that is artists trying to improve their art rather then sell it id love to join
platypode@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 1h
this was the winner by a landslide, looks like a human shop job to me
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · -2 pts · 1h
Hilarious, but, you know, also low effort and appropriating someone elses art, the same thing we criticize AI art for.
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1h
I wouldn't really call it appropriating, at least not any more than one could say the same for a song that samples or remixes another. It's just a derivative work. Like replacing the Mona Lisa with a portrait of some other character.
Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 32m
Remixing existing art into new art isnt appropriation, its been part of the cultural institution of art since inception 😅
Its only gross when ai does it because ai is a commercial product designed to take that art, wash it of its human origins and then provide it to people who dont wanna pay artists, and has no artistic vantage point. It doesnt get inspired or have a relationship with anything it gets trained on. If you ask a human to create something like starwars, they will create something based on what speaks to them about starwars and it will be uniquely them. There will be parts or starwars they're in love with, and parts that dont speak to them, maybe even parts they hate or are exhausted by. If you ask ai you will get an actual literal image of Darth Vader
Personally I find their silly little Photoshop fun and endearing, even if it is low effort 🤷🏻♂️
capuccino@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2h
They forgot how to do basic and easy web searches.
one_old_coder@piefed.social · 5 pts · 2h
Laziness is a human virtue.
Zensate@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1h
It's so that you can easily avoid low quality ones
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2h
Probably the places you're going...
Like, the vast majority on here are against AI and not shy to mention it.
If you're seeing a lot of AI, there's a good chance you're looking at the parts most people have blocked. Those places also tend to ban anyone who down votes their AI or says anything even slightly negative of AI.
But in general, if you see shit you don't like here, just block it so you don't see it. You're not going to get a pro-ai mod to change their mind, and the main reason they run those communities is to argue in a place they can just ban anyone.
It's either trolls or brain rotted ai addicts, there's nothing to gain from trying to change them.
Edit:
Your profile has a furry pic and "anarcho-communist".
No judgement on either, but those are the two islands on the fediverse that seem to be pro-ai like I was talking about, and likely explains why you think it's everywhere.
Db0 in general is very pro-ai, as are most instances/communities who claim to be anarchists while running their instances like dictatorships.
If you wanted to start communities about either topic and wanted to ban ai slop while moderating in good faith, there's likely a demand for that.
Gyrcas@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 2h
I'm on piefed.zip, I don't think it's pro-AI
It saddens me to learn that furries and anarchists are pro-AI... :(
Even as a programmer, I hate AI so much it's unreal
givesomefucks@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2h
That's not what I said.
I said on fediverse the big instances/communities for those topics are (or at least tend to be, I don't have my finger on either's pulse and blocked most long ago) run by people obsessed with AI and very eager to defend it.
That doesn't mean every user interested in one or both topics are the same, I said the opposite:
And while your account is on piefed, this post is on .world, especially being new it's common for new people to not notice when they've jumped to a community hosted on another instance.
To my knowledge every instance defaults to showing a feed from all federated instances, you'd need to select "local" on your homepage to only see content from your instance.
PonyOfWar@pawb.social · 2 pts · 2h
Db0 certainly is, but I'm not sure which pro-AI furry instance you're thinking of.
Gyrcas@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 2h
Don't worry, I don't think all furries or anarchists are pro-AI, I meant that it saddens me to see people part of the community be pro-AI
Most furries I know are artists, and most anarchists I know are pro-humans, for example.
And true, I did not really check which instance each community was in, but I did know it was possible to browse communities of other instances, I chose piefed.zip because it did not seem to block (or "defederalize" I think some say?) other instances, I want to be able to choose myself what I block
I'll probably start blocking those that I see have AI icons
HubertManne@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1h
many communities are driven by an individual. so for the same reason many rpg characters will be using ai for non artistict types. previous to that they just did not have a picture.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1h
Turns out actual piracy "just google an image" is just as wrong as maybe-if-you-frame-it-right-piracy "have an ai do it" when the chips are on the table. Also, everyone that shouts about not using ai images, but then refuses to help with making a non-ai image that isn't just human slop drawn hastily in mspaint with a 30 year old half broken mouse.
Society will eventually sort this problem out. Or, there isn't really a problem, but everyone is encouraged by their peers to make it a problem