Saint Carlin is almost always on, definitely always insightful. Where I diverge from the post title is the complete lack of nuance. Pretty much everything fucked in the United States is by explicit design.
Humanity has a few thousand years to perfect formulae for manipulating and subjugating the populace. The US embodies that refinement writ large. This miserable country never banned slavery; we just managed to shift the cost of ownership to the slaves. We successfully propagandized the populace, suppressed education and made it into a punchline (nerds vs jocks), and then convinced all the temporarily embarrassed billionaires that this is what freedom looks like.
So yeah ... what you're seeing in the US is the endgame of millennia of oligarchical refinement. This pattern repeats all throughout history. Given the title of this community, I suppose you can take some comfort that, from a historical perspective, the bill is going to come due for the US. I just hope that, given the extent of globalization, we don't take everyone else down with us.
The government of the people by the people. Stop pointing the finger at some entity. Your government is MADE OUT OF YOU PEOPLE! IT'S YOU AND EVERYONE AROUND YOU THAT IS THE PROBLEM
The American government is and has always been an oligarchy, with brief periods of time in between intensifying authoritarianism where the people managed to catch some extra bread crumbs with enough push back.
This is like condemning the people of other authoritarian countries for the actions of a government that actively enslaves them as well. Fucking moron tankie ass type of take.
That Carlin quote is less relevant now than it was when he made it. The people have never had less of a say in US politics before the Voting Rights Act, which was repealed recently by SCOUTS that is rewriting the constitution as it goes.
This is like condemning the people of other authoritarian countries for the actions of a government that actively enslaves them as well. Fucking moron tankie ass type of take.
Yes but you have a democracy and your institutions should have arrested Trump after his failed insurrection. Then you people VOTED AGAIN AND HE GOT MORE VOTES. LOL AMERICANS PICKED HIM.
Keep pretending your country will change, it won't it because the people are evil.
If that is an honest generalization, that says more about you and the company you keep than it says about US citizens.
Try this one on for size: every American I know is an anti-consumerist, anti-authority, anti-car, pro-bicycle, pro-transit, Socialist hippie organic gardener and/or dirtbag hippie sailor. Both of our statements can be true, and are reflections of how we choose to operate in the world.
I noticed your edited your comment to which I replied. You now say "On a whole" whereas the original comment I replied to said "every American is a consumerist piece of shit." Moreover you failed to call out that the edit you made.
So, you are either intentionally or unintentionally moving the goalposts.
That's like saying the ruling class is a reflection of the working class. That has only approached being true in the Eastern bloc socialist experiments.
How is the ruling class not a reflection of the working class? You think working class Americans are something special? You think they are more moral and hardworking? Ok buddy they are just as big of pieces of shit as the rest
No, I think the massive differences in wealth and material incentives people from the ruling class face compared to those who work for a wage/salary create vastly different behaviours and morals in each class. I believe people are much more a reflection of their class and much less so of a specific culture. In that I don't believe Americans are special compared to Canadians, Germans, etc. I think there's a lot more in common between a Canadian and an American worker than an american worker and Jeff Bezos.
Well I don't. I think people just fucking suck and they will happily rape and destroy the planet for better standard of living. We're just selfish animals that should go extinct already
Ypur problem is thinking a vote can fix your system. Youre just scared and selfish and refuse to burn that shit to the ground. Exactly like the caption sais
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JayleneSlide@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 5h
Saint Carlin is almost always on, definitely always insightful. Where I diverge from the post title is the complete lack of nuance. Pretty much everything fucked in the United States is by explicit design.
Humanity has a few thousand years to perfect formulae for manipulating and subjugating the populace. The US embodies that refinement writ large. This miserable country never banned slavery; we just managed to shift the cost of ownership to the slaves. We successfully propagandized the populace, suppressed education and made it into a punchline (nerds vs jocks), and then convinced all the temporarily embarrassed billionaires that this is what freedom looks like.
So yeah ... what you're seeing in the US is the endgame of millennia of oligarchical refinement. This pattern repeats all throughout history. Given the title of this community, I suppose you can take some comfort that, from a historical perspective, the bill is going to come due for the US. I just hope that, given the extent of globalization, we don't take everyone else down with us.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 5h
The government of the people by the people. Stop pointing the finger at some entity. Your government is MADE OUT OF YOU PEOPLE! IT'S YOU AND EVERYONE AROUND YOU THAT IS THE PROBLEM
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 5h
Horse shit.
The American government is and has always been an oligarchy, with brief periods of time in between intensifying authoritarianism where the people managed to catch some extra bread crumbs with enough push back.
This is like condemning the people of other authoritarian countries for the actions of a government that actively enslaves them as well. Fucking moron tankie ass type of take.
That Carlin quote is less relevant now than it was when he made it. The people have never had less of a say in US politics before the Voting Rights Act, which was repealed recently by SCOUTS that is rewriting the constitution as it goes.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 5h
Yes but you have a democracy and your institutions should have arrested Trump after his failed insurrection. Then you people VOTED AGAIN AND HE GOT MORE VOTES. LOL AMERICANS PICKED HIM.
Keep pretending your country will change, it won't it because the people are evil.
JayleneSlide@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5h
If that is an honest generalization, that says more about you and the company you keep than it says about US citizens.
Try this one on for size: every American I know is an anti-consumerist, anti-authority, anti-car, pro-bicycle, pro-transit, Socialist hippie organic gardener and/or dirtbag hippie sailor. Both of our statements can be true, and are reflections of how we choose to operate in the world.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 5h
I don't push people away. I like getting to know them. Americans are on a whole other level of entitled shit
JayleneSlide@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5h
I noticed your edited your comment to which I replied. You now say "On a whole" whereas the original comment I replied to said "every American is a consumerist piece of shit." Moreover you failed to call out that the edit you made.
So, you are either intentionally or unintentionally moving the goalposts.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 5h
Figured I'd be more accommodating to you sensitive americunts
Malica@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 5h
I miss him so much đ binged the Kevin Smith movies last weekend, he's just so awesome.
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 5h
That's like saying the ruling class is a reflection of the working class. That has only approached being true in the Eastern bloc socialist experiments.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 5h
How is the ruling class not a reflection of the working class? You think working class Americans are something special? You think they are more moral and hardworking? Ok buddy they are just as big of pieces of shit as the rest
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 5h
No, I think the massive differences in wealth and material incentives people from the ruling class face compared to those who work for a wage/salary create vastly different behaviours and morals in each class. I believe people are much more a reflection of their class and much less so of a specific culture. In that I don't believe Americans are special compared to Canadians, Germans, etc. I think there's a lot more in common between a Canadian and an American worker than an american worker and Jeff Bezos.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 5h
Well I don't. I think people just fucking suck and they will happily rape and destroy the planet for better standard of living. We're just selfish animals that should go extinct already
avidamoeba@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 3h
Fair enough.
doomchapel666@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2h
take your meds dude
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2h
Can't wait for the next school shooting. Hopefully it's near your home so you will take meds after it's done. Fucking SHITHOLE COUNTRY
doomchapel666@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 2h
you are also american lol
AviAdi@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 1h
It's like the N word. I wouldn't say shit about Americans unless I know America. And I know it. Oh but I cannot talk shit why? Because I'm American?
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 5h
Saint Carlin got pretty bitter in the last years.
arak@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 6h
Some of us are prisoners, most didn't vote because both sides were bad
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 5h
âBoth sides were badâ Fucking morons who donât understand elections.
AviAdi@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 6h
All have the right to the 2nd amendment. Most only use it on school children...
promitheas@programming.dev · 0 pts · 6h
Ypur problem is thinking a vote can fix your system. Youre just scared and selfish and refuse to burn that shit to the ground. Exactly like the caption sais
lIlIlIlIlIlIl@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h
âYouâre selfish because you wonât throw your life away for no good reasonâ
Tell us what you have done, o brave leader, that we may learn from you and follow your guidance