say there are three instances, A, B and C. if A is not federated with B, users from those two instances can't interact (right ?) but what if both are federated with C ? would both indirectly be able to interact ? if there is a post on instance C and a user from B comments on it, would that comment be visible on all three instances ?
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scottyjoe9@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 3y
Yes, comments from users on instances A and B on a post on C are visible to users on all three instances. De/federation is a way for admins of a specific instance to control which users can interact with posts on their instance. Eg: beehaw defeds sh.itjust.works so users from sh.itjust.works cannot interact with posts on beehaw. Users from both instances can interact with each other on posts on lemmy.world though.Edit: In reality, beehaw has defederated both sh.itjust.works and lemmy.world. In my theoretical example, only sh.itjust.works has been defederated.EDIT: I actually tested it and I'm wrong! I logged into my beehaw alt account and came to this thread but I can't see this comment as it's from sh.itjust.works. Because my comment is hidden, I also couldn't see the thread attached to this comment section so the comment thread looked empty.
Sorry for confusion.
Quill7513@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 3y
(except for that Beehaw is also defederated from lemmy.world)
scottyjoe9@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 3y
Shit, bad choice of third instance... Who hasn't beehaw defederated?
Quill7513@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 3y
Basically, every major instance that isn't sh.itjust.works, lemmy.world, lemmygrad.ml, or exploding-heads. They moderate in favor of "federate by default, defederate if it becomes a problem, refederate if the problem is addressed"
Black_Gulaman@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3y
Lemmynsfw.com is not defederated from beehaw.
Edit: don't ask me how I know.
BitingChaos@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3y
What's the deal with Beehaw defederating with so many?
If they don't want to be part of the wide fediverse, why pick software designed for it?
ShadyGrove@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3y
I think they are using it exactly as intended, the software is specifically designed to be decentralized and gives instance admins the power to de/federate as they choose.
Let's say when meta releases their activitypub thing, should everyone federate with them just because they are on the fediverse and will likely have a lot of users?
db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 3y
I was under the impression that A won't see comments of B even if posted in a community in C
scottyjoe9@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3y
You are correct, sorry. I've edited my post.
Soullioness@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3y
Fun fact: Beehaw defederated with Lemmy.world as well.
voluntaryexilecat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3y
Wait, so if I am from A and comment on a post on B and a user@c from C (which A has defedrated) comments on my comment, I get a message/notification indirectly from user@c via B?
So defederation blocks direct interaction but not discourse on "neutral ground (B in this case)"?
scottyjoe9@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3y
Nevermind, see my edit - I was wrong.
ShadowCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3y
I see, thanks for testing it, I'm a bit disappointed though (with lemmy, I mean)
scottyjoe9@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3y
Honestly, I don't like this either. It's definitely unfortunate.
ShadowCat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3y
thgs@beehaw.org · 1 pts · 3y
I think it depends. Not entirely sure though. Now given the context of Lemmy right, you can certainly post to instance C from both A and B. Even if your instance (either A or B) will not fetch messages from each other (due to not federating) you can always go see the messages through instance C (not logged in). That probably works for all defederation scenarios but that is also a very loosely defined interaction as both parties will have to do the same.
A diplomatic answer I know.