I'm all aboard the Google Assistant with Bard hype train, and you should be too - Android Central
https://www.androidcentral.com/apps-software/google-assistant-with-bard-hype-train
https://www.androidcentral.com/apps-software/google-assistant-with-bard-hype-train
47 Comments
JoeKrogan@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 2y
No you shouldn't. Google has enough data already. If it is not self hosted it can't be trusted.
Carighan@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2y
The idea that you should fly with exclusively self-hosted approaches is equally absurd to the idea that you should just blindly trust everyone.
Plus, if they have, as you say, "enough" data already, then surely giving them more doesn't actually hurt you in any way, shape or form?
notenoughbutter@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 2y
yeah, self hosted may be a bit too much for everyone, but they should at least make its training database open as ai is biased on whatever data it is trained on
eg. like how some smart taps won't work for black people as the company just didn't trained the sensors to work with dark skin
imo, nextcloud took the best approach here, allowing users to utilize chatgpt 4 if needed, while still making a totally in-house FLOSS option available
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 2y
Carighan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Because it's just unnecessary. Due to their nature, you want a few services reachable from anywhere, anyways. There's no reason for the average consumer to acquire hardware for this purpose. Just rent the service or the hardware elsewhere, which also reduces upfront cost which is ideal in situations where you cannot know whether you'll stick with the service.
Again, it's either extreme that's absurd. You don't need your own video streaming platform for example. In rare cases, sure. For the vast majority of people, Netflix is a much service however.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2y
soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 2y
I would love to self-host something like that. But I do not have a good enough GPU to do something like that
mojo@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
Newer Pixels are having hardware chips dedicated to AI in them, which could be able to run these locally. Apple is planning on doing local LLMs too. There's been a lot of development on "small LLMs", which have a ton of benefits, like being able to study LLMs easier, run them on lower specs, and saving power on LLM usage.
httpjames@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2y
Smaller LLMs have huge performance tradeoffs, most notably in their abilities to obey prompts. Bard has billions of parameters, so mobile chips wouldn't be able to run it.
mojo@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
That's right now, small LLMs have been the focus of development just very recently. And judging how fast LLMs have been improving, I can see that changing very soon.
gelberhut@lemdro.id · -16 pts · 2y
Serdan@lemm.ee · 20 pts · 2y
Ridiculous take.
There's a vast difference between using a cloud service that definitely spies on you, and a self-hosted solution that you can ensure doesn't.
sbv@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2y
The ridiculous take is the joke:
gelberhut@lemdro.id · -6 pts · 2y
ijeff@lemdro.id · 8 pts · 2y
In this case it's less about "spying" and more about data being used for training.
danhakimi@kbin.social · 1 pts · 2y
Chozo@kbin.social · -7 pts · 2y
Being self-hosted in no way, shape, or form ensures that it doesn't spy on you. You're still putting trust in a third-party to keep their promises. The average user lacks the know-how to audit code. Hell, the average user wouldn't be able to figure out self-hosting in the first place.
Serdan@lemm.ee · 12 pts · 2y
You don't have to audit code to ensure it doesn't call home.
Chozo@kbin.social · 1 pts · 2y
Okay, what can the average user do to ensure this, then?
danhakimi@kbin.social · 0 pts · 2y
Chozo@kbin.social · 1 pts · 2y
We're talking about a service that intrinsically requires an internet connection, though.
ijeff@lemdro.id · 10 pts · 2y
It's actually quite easy to see if an app is phoning home. Also easy to prevent.
danhakimi@kbin.social · 0 pts · 2y
mojo@lemm.ee · -1 pts · 2y
Did you write the driver for the keyboard you wrote that on? Silly and completely unrealistic take. The world relies on trust to operate. It's not black and white.
gelberhut@lemdro.id · 1 pts · 2y
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl · 34 pts · 2y
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ijeff@lemdro.id · 5 pts · 2y
Amazon Alexa does significantly better when it comes to recognizing these basic commands and for smart home controls. Extremely quick and consistent. It's useless for web search question though.
MakeItCount@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
And then you try in french and suddenly 80% of the command result somehow to a kitchen recipe one
MrQuallzin@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 2y
You may need to retrain the voice recognition
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl · 4 pts · 2y
MrQuallzin@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Oh dang, yeah it's probably the language. Wouldn't surprise me that other languages aren't being prioritized by Google, which is a shame. German's an awesome language.
Edit cause I'm gonna look stupid for saying German without actually checking. I'm high, blame the grass. Whatever language it is looks awesome
skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl · 4 pts · 2y
MrQuallzin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Dang, that was gonna be my second guess
bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Google assistant has frequently done this in English, too.
danhakimi@kbin.social · 0 pts · 2y
angelsomething@lemmy.one · 30 pts · 2y
Yeah hard pass for me dog. Are hey not currently in trouble for manipulating search results? What makes you think bard will be any different. Just look at bing chat.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 2y
Just like Apple, Google would ideally want full capture of their ecosystem.
The AI features seem useful but Google will likely do one of the following with it within 3 years of release:
A. Kill the feature
B. Nerf the feature to an unusuable level
C. Shove advertising into the feature at every possible opportunity
Virkkunen@kbin.social · 6 pts · 2y
C and B are definitely happening in the next months, A will start by the end of next year, as support for Bard dwindles and Google moves on to the next AI assistant that has half the features and polish of the previous one.
JasSmith@kbin.social · 2 pts · 2y
It’s partly why I haven’t bought an Android phone, ever, and have stuck with iPhones. I know Apple is going to keep supporting the phone and apps within for many years. It’s encouraging that Google will support the newest Pixel with software, but they really need to work on their hardware quality and support now. This has been a consistent sore spot since inception.
Cylusthevirus@kbin.social · 6 pts · 2y
Not how Android works, but ok. Android is just an OS. Each specific combo of OS and phone is unique. You can modify Android to the point where it's a completely different user experience between two implementations nominally using Android.
Maybe you just like iOS, that's fine, but it's good to understand why you like it. Personally I've been saddled with an iPhone for work and I hate the GUI, but I can appreciate the materials and some design choices.
mojo@lemm.ee · 20 pts · 2y
The last thing I want any AI to ever do is to purchase something for me.
danhakimi@kbin.social · 19 pts · 2y
newthrowaway20@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 2y
Yeah a lot of the features promised were already available at one point and taken away. I miss having the assistant show me a list of important info, like expected packages, priority emails, and appointments in one place. Google got rid of all that stuff and replaced the home feed with a buncha click bait news articles instead.
danhakimi@kbin.social · 3 pts · 2y
jasondj@ttrpg.network · 1 pts · 2y
This really doesn’t seem like much.
My utopia would be a home assistant with a chat bot who is, quite literally, an “imaginary friend”. Somebody to just…talk to. No judgement, no drama. Remembered what you talked about before. Knows your emails and IMs and texts, and essentially every digital memory. Maybe not quite an actual therapist, but more like a trusted confidant.
Of course this would have to be self-hosted or Google would have to absolutely guarantee that all of its data is sandboxed and only used to train your friend.
colonial@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2y
Wow, I can talk to the hallucination machine! What an innovation!
... God, imagine if this all this effort went towards fusion power or space infrastructure. What a waste.
kromem@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2y
You talk as if those are separate things.
Advances in broad reaching technology ends up broad reaching.
danhakimi@kbin.social · 2 pts · 2y
kromem@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Mhmm. Literally things that computer scientists a decade ago considered impossible within our lifetimes occurs, but social media is convinced it's a 'gimmick.'
Laypeople have really drunk up the anti-AI Kool aid these days...
danhakimi@kbin.social · -1 pts · 2y
kromem@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
There was no AOL chat bot that could explain why a joke it had never seen before was funny or could solve an original variation of a logic puzzle.
The fact that you can't tell the difference reflects more on where you fall within the Dunning-Kreuger curve of NLP model assessment than it does the capabilities of the LLMs.
danhakimi@kbin.social · -1 pts · 2y
kromem@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
This was literally part of the 2022 PaLM paper and allegedly the thing that had Hinton quit to go ringing alarm bells and by this year we now have multimodal GPT-4 writing out explanations for visual jokes.
Just because an ostrich sticks its head in the sand doesn't mean the world outside the hole doesn't exist.
And in case you don't know what I mean by that, here's GPT-4 via Bing's explanation for the phrase immediately above:
Go ahead and ask Eliza what the sentence means and compare.
ElBarto@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2y
All I want to know is, will it argue back with me, because the assistant is already a massive smartass, if it can have a proper argument, then I'm all in baby!
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 2y
I'll believe it when I see it. What will likely happen is that it'll start out good then Google will slowly neuter it and make it dumber and dumber until it's essentially useless like Assistant
jackmarxist@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 2y
Bard is somehow worse than ChatGPT I hate it
kib48@lemm.ee · 3 pts · 2y
really? they're on the same level imo (they both suck equally)
soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id · 4 pts · 2y
I literally just want better support for extensions again
macallik@kbin.social · 4 pts · 2y
To me, it feels like the final frontier for phones before a pivot to virtual/augmented reality becomes more tangible.