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c/worldnews · by Silverseren@kbin.social · 2y

'Chemical weapons manual' shown by Israeli president is biography of a bomber

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-chemical-weapons-manual-biography-bomber

Document Isaac Herzog said showed Hamas intended to stage a chemical weapons attack is an al-Qaeda biography of World Trade Center attacker Ramzi Yousef

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livus@kbin.social · 53 pts · 2y (2 replies)

This is the WMDs all over again.

Silverseren@kbin.social · 25 pts · 2y

It's pretty apparent that the Israeli government is trying to push propaganda to shore up their excuses for the ground invasion. A chemical weapons threat would be a massive excuse for them just going in and destroying everything.

laskoune@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y

Learning from the best !

Silverseren@kbin.social · 48 pts · 2y (6 replies)

"A document presented by Israeli President Isaac Herzog as proof that Hamas intended to develop chemical weapons is actually an amateur biography of World Trade Center attacker Ramzi Yousef and contains no instructions on how to develop chemical weapons."

""It's al-Qaeda material. Official al-Qaeda material. We are dealing with ISIS, al-Qaeda and Hamas. And in this material there were instructions on how to produce chemical weapons," Herzog said of the document.

"This is how shocking the situation is where we're looking at the instructions that are given on how to operate and how to create a kind of non-professional chemical weapon with cyanide.""

"Readily available on the internet, the 30-page book contains no instructions on how to make chemical weapons but makes reference to the Kuwait-born Yousef's life working for al-Qaeda, especially his role in the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center."

I see Israel is continuing the tradition of incredibly dumb and easily debunkable propaganda. And outside of Arabic-related news sources, I see no other media reporting on this that's actually noting said propaganda, but is instead taking Herzog's statement at face value.

bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2y (5 replies)

In trying to verify the image of the bomb, Sky News has spoken to Aimen Dean, a former member of al Qaeda who turned against the terrorist group and became an MI6 spy. He helped create a poison bomb known as the mubtakkar.

He said: "I can confirm this is the exact diagram from a 2003 secret document written by an al Qaeda cell I was infiltrating in Saudi Arabia between 2002 and 2005."

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-isaac-herzog-documents-under-scrutiny-12991143

Silverseren@kbin.social · 12 pts · 2y (4 replies)

Is that referring to the second image that Herzog showed? The one that's been publicly available since 2005 for everyone to see?

The one Sky News themselves have had full photos available of in their articles for years?

The one that everyone made fun of as dumb and not possible to work?

bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2y (2 replies)

Yes. It's not really surprising for a Sunni Muslim terrorist to have Islamist terrorist reading materials is it?

Silverseren@kbin.social · 10 pts · 2y (1 reply)

Why are you assuming any Hamas person had any of these documents on them? I'm putting money on Herzog pushing some complete made up bullshit. Which fits with past evidence of really obvious made up bullshit Israel has pushed at the UN.

bernieecclestoned@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2y

It seems plausible. The propaganda is that these were step by step instructions, which they weren't, so there was no plan for a chemical weapons attack.

The facts as they are are bad enough, they don't need to embellish like this.

TinyPizza@kbin.social · 4 pts · 2y

This somehow feels like the scene in "You don't mess with the Zohan" where Rob Schneider buys Neosporin and throws it at a window expecting it to explode. You know middle east peace is impossible when such brilliance as Adam Sandler can't even crack that nut. Kinda unrelated but worth mentioning, Rob Schneider sure turned out to be a piece of shit.

davel@lemmy.ml · 47 pts · 2y

Just a fucking fire hose of low-effort disinformation to distract from genocide.

Hyperreality@kbin.social · -3 pts · 2y (10 replies)

Wikipedia on Middle-East Eye:

MEE has been accused of being backed by Qatar. The governments of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt and Bahrain accuse MEE of pro-Muslim Brotherhood bias and receiving Qatari funding. As a consequence, they demanded MEE to be shut down following the Saudi-led blockade of Qatar. ... On 20 October 2022, MEE cut ties with Palestinian journalist Shatha Hammad after it was discovered that she made a Facebook post in 2014 which praised Adolf Hitler for "sharing the same ideology"

Silverseren@kbin.social · 6 pts · 2y (4 replies)

And? They're one of the only news sources bothering to debunk the blatant misinformation from Herzog. Plenty of other individual people had already debunked it, but none of the non-Arab media appears to be even attempting to point out the false claims he's making.

Hyperreality@kbin.social · -5 pts · 2y (3 replies)

none of the non-Arab media appears to be even attempting to point out the false claims he's making.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-isaac-herzog-documents-under-scrutiny-12991143

Did you just falsely claim that no non-Arab media are investigating if it's a false claim?

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y (2 replies)

So you admit it’s a false claim in one breath, while discrediting the source in another. You are not operating in good faith. But as you say, arguing with pigeons will only result in shit in your hair.

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
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TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y (4 replies)

Don’t like the message, shoot the messenger.

Hyperreality@kbin.social · -5 pts · 2y (3 replies)

Imagine for a second that the Israeli minister of national security had just claimed Hamas has chemical weapons.

Imagine I then replied with this wikipedia entry:

Itamar Ben-Gvir (Hebrew: אִיתָמָר בֶּן גְּבִיר; born 6 May 1976) is an Israeli lawyer and politician who serves as the Minister of National Security ... Ben-Gvir, a settler in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, has faced charges of hate speech against Arabs and was known to have a portrait in his living room of Israeli-American terrorist Baruch Goldstein, who massacred 29 Palestinian Muslim worshipers and wounded 125 others in Hebron, in the 1994 Cave of the Patriarchs massacre. He removed the portrait after he entered politics. He was also previously convicted of supporting a terrorist group known as Kach, which espoused Kahanism, an extremist religious Zionist ideology ... He has called for the expulsion of Arab citizens of Israel who are not loyal to Israel. Ben Gvir is "widely known for his openly racist, anti-Arab views and activities" ...

Would you have replied "Don’t like the message, shoot the messenger."?

TokenBoomer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y (2 replies)

False equivalency. Middle East Eye could be the militant newspaper of Hezbollah and the information in this article would still be true. Since this post, this info has been reported in other places. As for your example, if the information is true, I don’t care if it comes from Cthulhu.

Hyperreality@kbin.social · 1 pts · 2y
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