Why wait for Microsoft to catch up with what we've been doing for decades?
Get Plasma, a modern, fully functional, clean, privacy-respecting, non-intrusive operating system now, regardless from where you live and ditch Windows for good.
Why wait for Microsoft to catch up with what we've been doing for decades?
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Resonanz@slrpnk.net · 22 pts · 2y
Why wait for Windows to change when you can get Linux? ;)
LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one · 2 pts · 2y
hdnsmbt@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 2y
I love Linux and the community surrounding it. I love the flexibility, the privacy and the way Debian lets me choose my desktop environment at login.
But all of us know why people still use windows. It's because you don't have to install four different distros until you find one that detects your Bluetooth mouse.
Let's not kid ourselves.
Locutus@lemmy.kde.social · 4 pts · 2y
That hasn't been true in a long long long long time and you damn well know it.
hdnsmbt@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2y
Two weeks ago is not a long long long long time in my book. Lenovo ThinkPad silent mouse and a ThinkPad X13 Gen2. Fedora: no. Ubuntu: surprisingly no. I forget which one I tried next before Debian finally detected it. Do you want to talk about fingerprint readers working out of the box?
Diplomjodler@feddit.de · 10 pts · 2y
Also, if you live outside of Europe, you'll be waiting very long.
Z3k3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2y
That's why my registy moved to france
Killercat103@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 2y
Tbh. I don't really mind this ad. :) Non-profit? Ethical software? More people should use it
Bro666@lemmy.kde.social · 3 pts · 2y
Not an Ad. PSA.
Lantern@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
Why can’t it be both? Advertising isn’t necessarily always a negative.
Lantern@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to · 6 pts · 2y
kescusay@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2y
I'm curious when this was. A modern plasma desktop today just works. I have very, very little trouble with it. Conversely, my Windows machine (required for accessing my work VPN) is a nightmare of constant problems.
poetaster@mastodon.gamedev.place · 1 pts · 2y
@kescusay xfce works for me. I do have plasma apps on the desktop and mobile. All work well. Windows are things that appear on my desktop. Just like in Mac OS 7. Are there other windows?
holycrap@lemm.ee · 5 pts · 2y
In fairness it used to be a lot of trouble to set up and maintain a Linux desktop. That hasn't been true for years but the attitude didn't come from nowhere.
Bro666@lemmy.kde.social · 4 pts · 2y
"Set up" I agree, "maintain" not so much. From the mid-2000s onwards Linux tended to be more stable and easier to update than Windows, as I recall.
ianp5a@mastodon.cloud · 1 pts · 2y
@Bro666 @holycrap
I install it from a USB stick. It's not hard. Last time that took me less than 10 minutes. I'm not an IT person, never using the command line or any IT things.
Linux is not perfect, but very usable. The distro I use looks after itself. If anything does mess up, I can simply reinstall.
failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to · 1 pts · 2y
@holycrap
It is quite possible that my memory is from the slashdot era of comments like
"I put Linux on my laptop and then the wireless didn't work and it took me 3 hours on the help forum . ."
const_void@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 2y
I'll take Things That Didn't Happen for $500, Alex
Gebruikersnaam@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2y
I personally know a lot of bioinformaticians that run linux on their desktops. If you live in the terminal you don't wanna be bothered with all Windows bs and linux comes with everything you need. Most don't even care about the DE that much.
forrestguid@social.vivaldi.net · 0 pts · 2y
failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to · 0 pts · 2y
forrestguid@social.vivaldi.net · 0 pts · 2y
failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to · 1 pts · 2y
closetfurry@yiffit.net · 6 pts · 2y
Been wondering about jumping ship to Linux after I got some hands on experience through the Steam Deck, but I hear that they don't have the same wide compatibility with various Hardware, plus there are a lot of programs you can't get.
If I want Clip Studio Paint, be able to play games with anti cheat AND be able to stream comfortably with OBS and the XLR microphones I have... Can I reasonably expect to be able to do all these things without a hitch?
Index_Case@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 2y
Have been trying Linux Mint on a spare laptop as a complete N00b. Can't get a huion screen tablet to work, nor an older xp non-screen one. Only option I've found for software is Krita (which isn't bad, actually), but no CSP.
Couldn't get a controller to work properly either without having to install some stuff via command line / terminal, which I wasn't comfortable doing (I commented about having to do this on another post elsewhere and some guy was like super aggressive about how I didn't need to, and was lying apparently... 🤷 )
Other than that, it's a been a pretty smooth experience. That's not sarcasm, its genuinely been interesting experience poking about and giving it a go. May just not be ready for my use case yet.
closetfurry@yiffit.net · 1 pts · 2y
That's honestly comforting! Thank you for your feedback. I might consider it more. How difficult is setting up a dual boot or something?
Index_Case@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 2y
I actually found the whole bootloader and how to dual boot thing a bit non-intuitive and generally unclear as to what I should do. But maybe that's just me. In the end, as it was a spare laptop, I just went full Linux Mint, reasoning that I can always reinstall Windows later....
closetfurry@yiffit.net · 1 pts · 2y
Thank you! I appreciate the honesty a TON
kescusay@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2y
Hardware support is pretty damn good now, but may require some research beforehand to ensure you get a system with no driver gotchas. Honestly, I have more trouble with driver setup on Windows than on Linux these days. That said, I won't buy a computer that comes with any incompatibilities, so your experience may vary.
Gaming is easy on Linux now (assuming your system is set up properly) thanks to Steam's Linux compatibility layer, which is built with WINE. They also have it on the Steam Deck, so you've actually probably used it already, you just didn't know.
The only sticking point is Clip Studio Paint. Apparently it can be set up using WINE, but it's not going to be as good as a native experience. Or at least, that would be my guess.
Bro666@lemmy.kde.social · 4 pts · 2y
Maybe OP should try Krita. From what I read on the CSP site, Krita has everything CSP has and then some: comic module, manga module, animations module, hundreds of brushes and effects,... the works. It also works fine with all the main art hardware. XP Pen even sponsors on of the contributors and their tablets work flawlessly out of the box.
Eidt: Krita also works in Windows so OP can try it before making up their mind.
closetfurry@yiffit.net · 3 pts · 2y
I've tried Krita, and liked it, but I prefer the workflow of CSP and don't want to lose that ;_;
Index_Case@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 2y
(and Android, which is what I tried it on. Was pretty good)
closetfurry@yiffit.net · 2 pts · 2y
I actually love the steam deck, but there are some favs that I can't play due to anti cheat, plus I like playing a lot of older titles on GoG. Do those work just as well?
kescusay@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2y
Depends on the title and the nature of the anti-cheat code. If it basically acts as a system-level rootkit, then you may be out of luck.
I'd check the big community-driven games database that keeps track of compatible games here: https://www.protondb.com/
In some cases, minor tweaks and settings changes will make games work fine, even if they're not officially supported.
As for GoG games, there's Lutris and Heroic Games Launcher, both of which can use Steam's compatibility layer for running Windows-only GoG games. Again, there may be tweaks involved and your mileage may vary, but the communities for both are extremely helpful.
Sqaaakoi@wetdry.world · 2 pts · 2y
@closetfurry @kde Please be slightly more specific regarding "anti-cheat". Do you play competitive shooter games? If yes, then you're probably out of luck for those unfortunately :(
closetfurry@yiffit.net · 2 pts · 2y
Correct there. Not super competitive as a person, so I play casually for fun
basxto@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 2y
You generally need to get software and hardware that is compatible with your operating system and processor architecture. It’s true that the most used platforms will have the best support, but you have that problem with any OS.
And it’s also not like games with anti cheat generally don’t work with Linux. Proton+Steam does support Valve Anti-Cheat, Easy Anti-Cheat and BattlEye. It’s just that developers have to explicitly enable Linux support for EAC and BattlEye.
kde@floss.social · 1 pts · 2y
@closetfurry For Clip Studio Paint, Krita might be a very good alternative (and it also work on Windows)
https://krita.org/
For games, anti cheats are indeed still a huge pain :(
closetfurry@yiffit.net · 2 pts · 2y
I've tried Krita, and liked it, but I prefer the workflow of CSP and don't want to lose that ;_;
radioactiveradio@lemm.ee · 1 pts · 2y
Try running it with wine. The pen pressure might not work tho still. Or maybe with a bit of tweaking it might.
closetfurry@yiffit.net · 1 pts · 2y
I might try that. Thanks
Rastal@mastodon.social · 4 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social "We turned your computer into a platform designed to bombard you with ads, full of useless bloatware, a system designed to pigeon hole you into using and paying for Microsoft products, which is unsafe to connect to the internet without an antivirus and which will break every time we force an update on you." = What Microsoft would say if they were honest describing Windows!
#switchtolinux
elxeno@lemm.ee · 4 pts · 2y
How will people download chrome?
pizzawithdirt@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
Microsoft Store lets you download some browsers last I checked. You can also use
wingetwhich is also preinstalled in Windows.jex@mas.to · 2 pts · 2y
@elxeno @kde
Chocolatey. https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/GoogleChrome
Firefox, preferably. Also done via Chocolatey. Web browsers for getting a software install is so stringy.
elxeno@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 2y
I used that before quitting windows, but it doesn't help since u have to copy commands from the website to install chocolatey.
Grass@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2y
I have the script in a text file on my ventoy USB for the odd time I have to even look at windows.
forolinux@mastodon.social · 4 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I use #gnulinux and KDE, now #kdeplasma since "I don't remember when" years, before the existence of #fedora.
I use it at work, home, to play videogames, for everything, and I can only recommend them. Step forward, respect yourself, take back your freedom and give them a chance.
brb@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2y
You complain about this and then throw an actual ad into people's faces
ElSupreme@mastodon.sdf.org · 2 pts · 2y
@brb
Heaven forbid KDE talk about it's stuff on KDE's social media instance. 🙄
@kde
jex@mas.to · 1 pts · 2y
@brb @kde An ad for a completely free product with no ads, no DRM, no privacy issues, and better security than Windows or Mac. Most people need that ad.
Bro666@lemmy.kde.social · 0 pts · 2y
s/ad/PSA/g
Locutus@lemmy.kde.social · 2 pts · 2y
Plasma is a desktop environment and NOT a OS. Might want to know whet you are talking about before posting.
PerryPeak@noc.social · 1 pts · 2y
@Locutus @kde I think they said operating system because people coming from Windows might not know what a desktop environment is
Bro666@lemmy.kde.social · 2 pts · 2y
You are right. Also, a desktop environment, at least from an end user's perspective, is as part of the OS as a kernel, terminal, and its associated tools. We are just using the language that a non-techie can understand and act upon.
Either way, "operating system" is a woolly and ambiguous term that is hard to define precisely and changes meanings depending on who you ask. The common denominator in common non technical English seems to be "software that allows you to manage you hardware and applications". If that is so, yep, Plasma fits the bill.
nuncio@mstdn.social · 2 pts · 2y
glimse@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2y
If your work machine is running out of RAM it's either utter shit or you're doing something on it that you couldn't on a rpi lmao
SanchoPanza@mstdn.social · 1 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Plasma=operating system ???!!!???🤔
Bro666@lemmy.kde.social · 1 pts · 2y
Can you define "operating system" in common, non-technical English, as to an end user?
carlschwan@floss.social · 1 pts · 2y
@SanchoPanza @kde @kde@lemmy.kde.social Sure it's not a full operating system but Plasma and the KDE Frameworks and apps are a large portion of the user space, has a lot of hardware integration and is that the user interact with not with the kernel directly.
carlschwan@floss.social · 1 pts · 2y
@SanchoPanza @kde @kde@lemmy.kde.social Also it's way easier to communicate to non Linux users that Plasma is an operating system than a desktop environnement has Windows and macOS have no concept of desktop environnement.
Or do you call macOS aqua?
SanchoPanza@mstdn.social · 1 pts · 2y
@carlschwan @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Wouldn't it be more accurate to describe KDE neon or another GNU/Linux distribution?
SanchoPanza@mstdn.social · 1 pts · 2y
@carlschwan @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
So if we pull out the kernel/Linux, we can run hardware and applications with Plasma/KDE?
kde@floss.social · 1 pts · 2y
SanchoPanza@mstdn.social · 1 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @carlschwan @kde@lemmy.kde.social
So it's not an operating system, it's a desktop. It can also run on Windows. It's not an operating system.
ek_is_anika@transfem.social · 1 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I already use Plasma 5.27 on Debian GNU/Linux :bunhdhappy:
Though I cannot wait for Plasma 6!
robertoqs@writing.exchange · 1 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Even though I don't prefer KDE Plasma as my desktop environment, I support this due to being #LibreSoftware and considering what it opposes.
oldredsubby@sfba.social · 1 pts · 2y
CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2y
Office 2013 support ended in April. It’s EOL. No more updates.
oldredsubby@sfba.social · 1 pts · 2y
minecraftchest1@social.opendesktop.org · 1 pts · 2y
@oldredsubby
Libreoffice may be of interest. I agree with everything else. I have to use Google Docs for school, and I have strong dislike.
GIVE ME COLUMNS IN HEADERS PLEASE G00G13!!! I AM REQUIRED TO USE THEM!!!
@kde@lemmy.kde.social @kde@floss.social
nerdfeelscool@techhub.social · 1 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Using Gnome 45. Absolute adore it's out of the box polish. But yeah, Linux > Mac >>>>>>> Windows
Sobex@social.sciences.re · 1 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social @arstechnica @JenLucPiquant
ShredderFeeder@shredderfood.com · 1 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I wiped my drive and installed Linux on my primary deskyop the day I saw the first leaked screenshots of windows 11.
Never regretted it. And never going back.
aerocyber@fosstodon.org · 0 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social A friendly reminder that Plasma is a DE and not an OS!
Loving your work btw!
mdwalters@furry.engineer · 0 pts · 2y
oldredsubby@sfba.social · 0 pts · 2y
tnypxl@mstdn.social · -1 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social I wish all those proclamations were achievable without a boat load of tradeoffs:
Bro666@social.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 2y
@tnypxl @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Like what?
forrestguid@social.vivaldi.net · -1 pts · 2y
Bro666@lemmy.kde.social · 2 pts · 2y
What's missing from Plasma 5.27 that you had in KDE 3.5.10?
j3j5@mastodon.uy · 2 pts · 2y
@Bro666 Nostalgia for their youth :ablobpeek:
forrestguid@social.vivaldi.net · 0 pts · 2y
forrestguid@social.vivaldi.net · 0 pts · 2y
01adrianrdgz@mas.to · -2 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social KDE, I enjoy the software + the cute artwork, but please don't be rude to Microsoft!! They also include Linux and they like Linux too, so you and Microsoft should be friends :3
panda@pandas.social · 2 pts · 2y
Bro666@social.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 2y
@01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Take it from an old-timer: Microsoft would crush KDE without a second thought if it ever grew beyond what they considered acceptable in the desktop/end user market share.
All the MS ❤️ Linux is at best for servers only, not anything that can benefit the common people. KDE aims for the common people.
At worst it is PR bullshit ( ⬅️ it's this one).
01adrianrdgz@mas.to · 0 pts · 2y
@Bro666 @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social oh that's bad :c I'm sorry for misunderstanding, I think both organizations should be fair to each other that's all, thank you so much for clarifying!! c:
torben@mastodon.schweren.dev · 2 pts · 2y
@01adrianrdgz @Bro666 @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social right when Microsoft said "Microsoft ❤️ Linux", they also announced something big: .NET MAUI. .NET is Microsoft's standard library and runtime when coding C#. It had become cross-platform already, so you can now compile for Linux. Only thing missing was a good UI framework. MAUI was invented to address this. You know what happened? MAUI supports Windows, Mac, Android and iPhone. Not Linux.
Microsoft doesn't love Linux, Microsoft loves using Linux for Azure.
Bro666@social.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 2y
@torben @01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Interestingly related: when KDE devs complained to Microsoft that, due to the fact that name of their new product and similarity in functionality to KDE's own Maui project
https://mauikit.org/
they were causing confusion and potentially violating KDE's trademark, in the Microsoft forums KDE was told to sue them or f**k off.
KDE does not have much money, much less enough to embark in a costly legal battle with Microsoft with a doubtful outcome.
Bro666@social.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 2y
@torben @01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
They also copied the slogan for KDE Plasma 5 ("Simple by default, powerful when needed") and used a thinly veiled variation to promote Windows 11.
https://twitter.com/ClauCambra/status/1466153819713191947
They were also notified and they again ignored the notification.
torben@mastodon.schweren.dev · 1 pts · 2y
@Bro666 @01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social holy, didn't know that. That's straight up evil.
Bro666@social.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 2y
@01adrianrdgz @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
How can they ever be. one is greedy predatory megacorporation only motivated by power and money.
The other is a grassroots volunteer-powered association that explicitly advocates both in word and action improving the lot of fellow humans by giving control over technology to everybody.
They both produce software which is often functionally similar. A collision sooner or later is inevitable.
shved@mastodon.social · -6 pts · 2y
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Never heard of Plasma, nor am I in linux ecosystem yet, but from brief googling Plasma telemetry and developer attitude towards it is concerning
https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/f2bg69/kde_plasma_518_comes_with_builtin_telemetry_optin/
jex@mas.to · 11 pts · 2y
jex@mas.to · 8 pts · 2y
shved@mastodon.social · -7 pts · 2y
@jex @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social @radioactiveradio While its FOSS, the telemetry is a slippery slope, and a single module now is the sign of a direction they've chosen. The flippant attitude of a developer mentioned in that reddit thread is worrying to say the least.
I'm aware its a single example about a project I know nothing about.
Rustmilian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
jex@mas.to · 5 pts · 2y
radioactiveradio@lemm.ee · 2 pts · 2y
What flippant attitude? The part where they tell the poster to just read the source code? That's not flippant that's the exact answer to the question. If you don't trust it just check out the source, it's all out in the open. If you don't like it don't use it, same as the telemetry alsame as the desktop. FOSS is about choice, you can choose to use Gnome or fork KDE and remove the telemetry yourself. Or maybe just flip a switch and turn it off.
Edit: Also the whole argument about how the "average user can't read source code" is useless. Remember when audacity put 'actually questionable' telemetry in their code? Everyone was up and arms about it, distros still don't provide the new updated versions of audacity in their repos. Now imagine that with KDE, it's a much bigger project, any average user would figure it out with 5 seconds of reddit or a simple google search.
radioactiveradio@lemm.ee · 9 pts · 2y
Been using it for over a year now and there's just one slider for telemetry that sends them anonymous desktop/KDE apps usage data, and you can limit how much you wanna send them. And i personally haven't heard of any controversy surrounding that. Also its opt in unlike windows.
Rustmilian@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2y
russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net · 5 pts · 2y
Yep, and it's opt-in so if you've never turned it on explicitly, then it's off.
Seriously though, KDE's slider that lets you adjust how much / how little data to send (if any) is probably the best implementation of opt-in telemetry that I've seen in a while.
valentin_petzel@aut.social · 4 pts · 2y
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Sorry, but this is a pretty opinionates post about a simple feature. Yes, KDE has Telemetry options. But these are entirely opt in, so unless you explicitely choose to send data you will never send data. The data that is being sent is fully transparent, as we have access to the source code. I belief it is mostly used for interface decisions (such as what window sizes are people using). So I cannot see the point.
Flux@social.fluxfox.dev · 3 pts · 2y
@shved @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social is opt-in, not opt-out.
No telemetry gets collected unless you explicitly give permission (and they don't nag or try to trick you into giving it). Overall, KDE is incredibly good for privacy
johnfocker@mamot.fr · -6 pts · 2y
Bro666@lemmy.kde.social · 5 pts · 2y
General reminder: if you find bugs in Plasma, please report them!
To @johnfocker@mamot.fr in particular: All software contains bugs, but if you could provide some examples of the ones you find most annoying, maybe we can see if they are already solved or look into their cause.
Lantern@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2y
Uses Arch
Complains when things break
minecraftchest1@social.opendesktop.org · 1 pts · 2y
@johnfocker
I haven't had any bugs with either Plasma or Archlinux. What issues are you having?
@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social