I like that Google is slowly killing their own business model. Increasing costs for websites as they are getting an increase in bots crawling them, without directing actual humans to those sites and not paying those site owners (with some exceptions like Reddit) anything. It’s just making it even more difficult for small websites to grow as the crawlers increase burdens like energy costs, but without sending traffic or payment. I don’t use Google services any more and haven’t in a long time. Highly recommend people move away from them.
It would probably be hated even more as all of those points would be magnitudes higher in volume than they are today. It’s what is wanted by corporations, a cheap surveillance tool that closely monitors everyone to keep everyone in line. There are multiple dimensions to this issue. I think AI should have stayed in R&D for a while longer. It is so half baked, but unfortunately trusted as an “expert” by people who may not be familiar with hunting down primary trustworthy sources. Though that last point is nothing new. I think it should have never been used for things like scanning private/personal files or to accuse people of crimes they didn’t commit. These companies are buying their own bullshit and are trusting/betting on AI to reduce the most costly component of their company, the labor force. It’s all just smoke and mirrors though, always has been. It’s not like these things are gods among us, but they are sold that way. In the end, not matter what, with the current state of AI or if they were cheaper to use computationally, the bubble will burst. At least when that happens, maybe some of the left overs can be repurposed for actual useful things for society, but I don’t have my hopes up at the moment.
Been using DDG for years now, and have since turned off AI. My only issue with DDG, StartPage, and Ecosia, is that they don’t do their own indexing (AFAIK). I still use them, but have been looking into Kagi and Brave (I know they have their own issues as well) as I think they index independently of Google or Microsoft. With not having an independent index, then the search engine is at the mercy of the companies that do. Such as is Google wants to remove or deprioritize something, it would also be seen in StartPage. Again, that my understanding and it may be wrong.
Me too, but Google pays billions to push Chrome as the default on devices. I think Google and Microsoft are awful companies nowadays. Chrome and Edge are basically spyware now. So are Google search and Bing. There are others, but for example Mozilla gets boatloads of money from Google to exist, Brave has had some privacy issue (AFAIK), and so have others had their share of problems or over reliance on Google or Microsoft. I use DuckDuckGo as my browser, but have been starting to use Tor more to keep up with preventing advertiser from tracking using digitally fingerprinting. DDG or StartPage for search are unfortunately both reliant on Microsoft and Google indexing, respectively, unfortunately. Kagi may be an option, but they don’t have a browser yet. Anyway, there are so many topics on this that I could go on and on.
Post-Google search can’t come soon enough. They had a good start, but are now so full of greed. Personally, I avoid Google services (at least directly and block their trackers on websites as best as I can) like the plague nowadays. Google should be broken up as they are too bloated now and are highly monopolistic.
Google needs to be broken up! The ruling from Judge Mehta a couple years ago was a travesty. I highly recommend people move away from their surveillance tools/spyware. There are other browsers, search engines, maps, video hosting websites, etc. Google is too bloated and it’s damaging to society. I would say not just break them apart, but then make some of the baby Google companies, from the breakup, utilities for everyone. Would need to sit on that last part some more though, as it probably comes with its own issues.
Edit: But seriously, what do they mean by “better”? Maybe there was potential and still is to educate people and improve critical thinking skills to assess what they are being fed instead of blindly trusting algorithmic output. Thats more of a fundamental issue than the algorithms though.
Me too! Glad to see those posts about Dr. Poi Sonai. I think that Google needs to be broken up already. Same goes for the others. Or heavily fined and regulated. They just keep getting user data and slaps on the wrist when things go wrong.
I am very interested in this topic and have not heard of cooperativism until today applied to digital entities. I am very much for this idea to take hold or other ideas that can allow for shared earnings and things like data protection. Not sure if this would also potentially include data privacy or not. I think these things are great, but laws also need to be established to protect workers rights in the information age and same goes for data protection and data privacy.
Yea, they’ll most likely survive this, but I am hoping they get broken up for being monopolistic (it was a tragedy that Judge Mehta did follow through). Buts that’s a different topic. Or that they go the way of other giants like IBM and Microsoft. Not gone, but not what they once were. Though I do want Google and Meta gone or at least highly regulated, but that’s also another topic.
They should not be allowed to gobble up knowledge like that. I get that if they want to buy a book and analyze it, that should be ok. Similarly, you should be able to analyze a DVD. No one owns facts. But in order to analyze, they need a digital copy, at least I assume so. If they don’t make a digital copy and just analyze, then technically they are not doing anything wrong (I might be wrong about this). I do not agree with them destroying books though. Like Meta is in hot water for illegally coping many books without paying for them, but not for analyzing the books to train their models.
AC2 was one of my favorite gaming experiences of the time. Probably right after Dragon Age. Now there are so many AC games, but I fell off of playing them as they started to become more open world. Though Shadows was fantastic.
I like that Google is slowly killing their own business model. Increasing costs for websites as they are getting an increase in bots crawling them, without directing actual humans to those sites and not paying those site owners (with some exceptions like Reddit) anything. It’s just making it even more difficult for small websites to grow as the crawlers increase burdens like energy costs, but without sending traffic or payment. I don’t use Google services any more and haven’t in a long time. Highly recommend people move away from them.
It would probably be hated even more as all of those points would be magnitudes higher in volume than they are today. It’s what is wanted by corporations, a cheap surveillance tool that closely monitors everyone to keep everyone in line. There are multiple dimensions to this issue. I think AI should have stayed in R&D for a while longer. It is so half baked, but unfortunately trusted as an “expert” by people who may not be familiar with hunting down primary trustworthy sources. Though that last point is nothing new. I think it should have never been used for things like scanning private/personal files or to accuse people of crimes they didn’t commit. These companies are buying their own bullshit and are trusting/betting on AI to reduce the most costly component of their company, the labor force. It’s all just smoke and mirrors though, always has been. It’s not like these things are gods among us, but they are sold that way. In the end, not matter what, with the current state of AI or if they were cheaper to use computationally, the bubble will burst. At least when that happens, maybe some of the left overs can be repurposed for actual useful things for society, but I don’t have my hopes up at the moment.
Been using DDG for years now, and have since turned off AI. My only issue with DDG, StartPage, and Ecosia, is that they don’t do their own indexing (AFAIK). I still use them, but have been looking into Kagi and Brave (I know they have their own issues as well) as I think they index independently of Google or Microsoft. With not having an independent index, then the search engine is at the mercy of the companies that do. Such as is Google wants to remove or deprioritize something, it would also be seen in StartPage. Again, that my understanding and it may be wrong.
Me too, but Google pays billions to push Chrome as the default on devices. I think Google and Microsoft are awful companies nowadays. Chrome and Edge are basically spyware now. So are Google search and Bing. There are others, but for example Mozilla gets boatloads of money from Google to exist, Brave has had some privacy issue (AFAIK), and so have others had their share of problems or over reliance on Google or Microsoft. I use DuckDuckGo as my browser, but have been starting to use Tor more to keep up with preventing advertiser from tracking using digitally fingerprinting. DDG or StartPage for search are unfortunately both reliant on Microsoft and Google indexing, respectively, unfortunately. Kagi may be an option, but they don’t have a browser yet. Anyway, there are so many topics on this that I could go on and on.
Post-Google search can’t come soon enough. They had a good start, but are now so full of greed. Personally, I avoid Google services (at least directly and block their trackers on websites as best as I can) like the plague nowadays. Google should be broken up as they are too bloated now and are highly monopolistic.
Google needs to be broken up! The ruling from Judge Mehta a couple years ago was a travesty. I highly recommend people move away from their surveillance tools/spyware. There are other browsers, search engines, maps, video hosting websites, etc. Google is too bloated and it’s damaging to society. I would say not just break them apart, but then make some of the baby Google companies, from the breakup, utilities for everyone. Would need to sit on that last part some more though, as it probably comes with its own issues.
Also, (maybe some would argue first) might be that someone goes to prison over a thing like this.
The AI boom is really the gold boom in disguise.
For the betterment of the shareholders. :/
Edit: But seriously, what do they mean by “better”? Maybe there was potential and still is to educate people and improve critical thinking skills to assess what they are being fed instead of blindly trusting algorithmic output. Thats more of a fundamental issue than the algorithms though.
Indefinite PTO.
Me too! Glad to see those posts about Dr. Poi Sonai. I think that Google needs to be broken up already. Same goes for the others. Or heavily fined and regulated. They just keep getting user data and slaps on the wrist when things go wrong.
I am very interested in this topic and have not heard of cooperativism until today applied to digital entities. I am very much for this idea to take hold or other ideas that can allow for shared earnings and things like data protection. Not sure if this would also potentially include data privacy or not. I think these things are great, but laws also need to be established to protect workers rights in the information age and same goes for data protection and data privacy.
Was she hanging around in the same spot for hours? Fairly sure it’s female anyway, based on the small size of the antenna.
Yea, they’ll most likely survive this, but I am hoping they get broken up for being monopolistic (it was a tragedy that Judge Mehta did follow through). Buts that’s a different topic. Or that they go the way of other giants like IBM and Microsoft. Not gone, but not what they once were. Though I do want Google and Meta gone or at least highly regulated, but that’s also another topic.
They should not be allowed to gobble up knowledge like that. I get that if they want to buy a book and analyze it, that should be ok. Similarly, you should be able to analyze a DVD. No one owns facts. But in order to analyze, they need a digital copy, at least I assume so. If they don’t make a digital copy and just analyze, then technically they are not doing anything wrong (I might be wrong about this). I do not agree with them destroying books though. Like Meta is in hot water for illegally coping many books without paying for them, but not for analyzing the books to train their models.
The boom will end and the bubble will burst. Hopefully at least one of those companies goes under. Hopes it’s Google and Meta.
AC2 was one of my favorite gaming experiences of the time. Probably right after Dragon Age. Now there are so many AC games, but I fell off of playing them as they started to become more open world. Though Shadows was fantastic.