I agree with all of that. To me, the issue is really about how we treat OC contributors. Whether they are amateurs just having fun or OF creators in it for a small buck, they are human beings first. They deserve basic respect. That's all I want.
Discussion about this in the Mod coordination room is IMO the proximate cause. An older woman posted an image of herself in shibari ropes to a shibari forum and got cruel commentary over her appearance and a mass of downvotes. And that kind of behavior had happened before in gonewild, driving away many good amateur contributors.
I don't care about removing downvotes. But I do want strong enforcement when it come to the community hurting real people.
You might as well argue pouring sugar in your coffee could trigger drug addicts into taking hard drugs again, because white powder.
It's the same argument. Both are equally ridiculous.
Actual abuse should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. But not because it might have incited someone else to break the law. You need an actual victim, with testimony, to conduct an investigation and a prosecution.
I've seen it. IMO the side panel explicitly says "childlike" and I can see some might have a problem with that. It suggests the purpose Ada objected to over there. And I think mods and admins might want to change that text such that it makes no reference to underage anyone in the context of porn.
I just hit reply. Didn't @ the user manually at all. But I'm coming from Mastodon and using the web interface. Seems like many are commenting from lemmynsfw? That should work. Maybe?
After reading Ada's post and comments there (not removed, many were), it's my opinion the admins there wanted to defederate lemmynsfw anyway and this was a convenient excuse.
Regardless, it's their server. Many users there support the decision. Their right, and if the userbase wants that they've chosen the right instance for them. Those who don't want that outcome will move.
After reading your post over at lemmynsfw, it's pretty clear they were looking for a rationale to defederate and would have done that no matter what you did to prevent it.
You made the right choice if with an unfortunate outcome.
@Naughtydanni
Good luck. I run the BDSM groups at LemmyNSFW. If you ever want to post on-topic OC material there, we'd love to have you in our communities.
@Naughtydanni
Thank you for contributing to LemmyNSFW! You got my upvote.
@SmuttyLad
I agree with all of that. To me, the issue is really about how we treat OC contributors. Whether they are amateurs just having fun or OF creators in it for a small buck, they are human beings first. They deserve basic respect. That's all I want.
@SmuttyLad @yay
Discussion about this in the Mod coordination room is IMO the proximate cause. An older woman posted an image of herself in shibari ropes to a shibari forum and got cruel commentary over her appearance and a mass of downvotes. And that kind of behavior had happened before in gonewild, driving away many good amateur contributors.
I don't care about removing downvotes. But I do want strong enforcement when it come to the community hurting real people.
https://lemmynsfw.com/post/6909667
@LexiconBexicon
I took the trouble to read the report. What in there is deeply flawed?
@Onebanana1 @tooren
You might as well argue pouring sugar in your coffee could trigger drug addicts into taking hard drugs again, because white powder.
It's the same argument. Both are equally ridiculous.
Actual abuse should be prosecuted to the fullest extent. But not because it might have incited someone else to break the law. You need an actual victim, with testimony, to conduct an investigation and a prosecution.
@LexiconBexicon
OK. But that has nothing to do with this report. Is he listed as one of the authors?
@MikeyMongol
Hey, this Stanford Report on CSAM in the Fediverse might explain why instance admins are nervous about even the appearance of illicit content.
https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:vb515nd6874/20230724-fediverse-csam-report.pdf
@twelves
There's a screenshot I included. Posted from Mastodon so maybe the image didn't propagate out to lemmy?
@KairuByte
I've seen it. IMO the side panel explicitly says "childlike" and I can see some might have a problem with that. It suggests the purpose Ada objected to over there. And I think mods and admins might want to change that text such that it makes no reference to underage anyone in the context of porn.
Clearly, all participants are over 18. Good.
@KairuByte
I just hit reply. Didn't @ the user manually at all. But I'm coming from Mastodon and using the web interface. Seems like many are commenting from lemmynsfw? That should work. Maybe?
@KairuByte @Shit
After reading Ada's post and comments there (not removed, many were), it's my opinion the admins there wanted to defederate lemmynsfw anyway and this was a convenient excuse.
Regardless, it's their server. Many users there support the decision. Their right, and if the userbase wants that they've chosen the right instance for them. Those who don't want that outcome will move.
@MikeyMongol
It's their server. Their choice. Thanks for your hard work!
@MikeyMongol
After reading your post over at lemmynsfw, it's pretty clear they were looking for a rationale to defederate and would have done that no matter what you did to prevent it.
You made the right choice if with an unfortunate outcome.