I also wish they would just not send shit to DHH or go to his conference, but at the same time, it wouldn't be enough - people would demand they stop support of Hyprland next, then probably OpenBSD since it doesn't have a CoC.
For many I believe Framework is now simply ethically impure and there's no actual path to redemption.
Regarding Hyprland, they do actually as a community get a straight up donation just like KDE and a couple other WM/DEs do. However I would recommend a reinvestigation of the community, I disagree that the project founder ever came out as an avowed fascist, they're more one of those cringe eye roll "shut up and code" types that refused a CoC, then added one like two weeks later lol. I've observed them banning transphobes on sight, though the discord has "edgy" humor 😒
They never really paid DHH, they bought a booth and advertising at Rails World which he started but receives no compensation from. This isn't a donation, it's paying for advertising at a conference
They send premarket models out to various distros and WMs to give devs a chance to ensure compatibility before release - DHH runs the unfortunately popular Omarchy so this includes him
Proximal ethics: we give ourselves good grace for funding genocide, we criticize Framework for trying to maintain a compatible ecosystem which results in occasionally a total piece of shit getting a free laptop.
We put selective pressure against a good actor trying to do good (create right to repair ecosystem and prove market viability), and select instead for bad behavior - you can get away with abetting genocide if you don't pretend to be good and are immune to feedback
"What are we going to do? That's capitalism, we have to use AWS."
We don't give the same good grace to Framework for engaging in actions of structural necessity: not just DHH, they also send machines to Hyprland and a couple projects that don't have CoC, a smear of varying degrees of UKIP type people, with DHH being furthest on the spectrum of course.
They do it to ensure compatibility among the most popular distros/DEs, which includes, unfortunately, Omarchy.
DHH being a single prominent figure an easy lightning rod to blame. Interaction with him easy to identify and punish - and b/c of contagion ethics, degree of material harm irrelevant.
Meanwhile everyone gets a pass for giving money to AWS, who facilitates genocide via the IDF. Disperse responsibility across a faceless org means the greater material harm of this isn't analyzed. It's a structural necessity.
We say some sorts of interaction with DHH is akin to approval of his ideology, this minimizes our ability to differentiate between degrees of material harm.
It also means that we should say that anyone that buys a framework thus also supports DHH's ideology. Starting to be a lot of people who we probably normally wouldn't call "Nazi."
It would incidentally also mean use of Linux in 2014 means approval of verbal abuse, see: Linux mailing list.
@Hawke @umbrella
I also wish they would just not send shit to DHH or go to his conference, but at the same time, it wouldn't be enough - people would demand they stop support of Hyprland next, then probably OpenBSD since it doesn't have a CoC.
For many I believe Framework is now simply ethically impure and there's no actual path to redemption.
@Hawke @umbrella
@Hawke @umbrella
To clarify a couple points:
They never really paid DHH, they bought a booth and advertising at Rails World which he started but receives no compensation from. This isn't a donation, it's paying for advertising at a conference
They send premarket models out to various distros and WMs to give devs a chance to ensure compatibility before release - DHH runs the unfortunately popular Omarchy so this includes him
@jjagaimo @pseudo
Proximal ethics: we give ourselves good grace for funding genocide, we criticize Framework for trying to maintain a compatible ecosystem which results in occasionally a total piece of shit getting a free laptop.
We put selective pressure against a good actor trying to do good (create right to repair ecosystem and prove market viability), and select instead for bad behavior - you can get away with abetting genocide if you don't pretend to be good and are immune to feedback
@jjagaimo @pseudo
"What are we going to do? That's capitalism, we have to use AWS."
We don't give the same good grace to Framework for engaging in actions of structural necessity: not just DHH, they also send machines to Hyprland and a couple projects that don't have CoC, a smear of varying degrees of UKIP type people, with DHH being furthest on the spectrum of course.
They do it to ensure compatibility among the most popular distros/DEs, which includes, unfortunately, Omarchy.
@jjagaimo @pseudo proximal ethics and disperse responsibility:
DHH being a single prominent figure an easy lightning rod to blame. Interaction with him easy to identify and punish - and b/c of contagion ethics, degree of material harm irrelevant.
Meanwhile everyone gets a pass for giving money to AWS, who facilitates genocide via the IDF. Disperse responsibility across a faceless org means the greater material harm of this isn't analyzed. It's a structural necessity.
@jjagaimo @pseudo contagion ethics:
We say some sorts of interaction with DHH is akin to approval of his ideology, this minimizes our ability to differentiate between degrees of material harm.
It also means that we should say that anyone that buys a framework thus also supports DHH's ideology. Starting to be a lot of people who we probably normally wouldn't call "Nazi."
It would incidentally also mean use of Linux in 2014 means approval of verbal abuse, see: Linux mailing list.